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Dilbert2001
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"These are the updates we want"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2nikMbI6p0

Protoxx has shown us the questions of the Community Consultation Survey with his video this morning. For those who haven't done the survey or don't plan to do it, we can see the questions from this video with our own eyes.

Noticeably there is not even a slight reference to MTX. There are all about reduction of time required to complete the Hero Pass and the return of the original Daily Challenge system.

See back, get a cup of team relax and enjoy!

02-Oct-2023 20:58:22

Horsechaser
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I would like to see them just get rid of Heros pass altogether. The last thing this game needs is yet another "daily" with grinding requirements. Yak track was, in my opinion, a similar disaster, just a horrible grind. The reality is the Hero's pass was yet another feeble jagex attempt at MTX but coming up with something grindy (like yak track) to get folks to spend money on skips to avoid it.

If you are spending money to avoid it, it should be obvious that players did not want it in the first place. The rewards are more of the constant flood of lamps, stars, proteans, cosmentics etc. etc. ad infinitum, ad nauseum as if the game doesnt have enough of these already.

The survey is a joke. Its worded in such a way as to have us answer questions in a way that continues Heros Pass. I filled it out and used every text box possible to just tell them to get rid of it.

If jagex spent as much effort on real content as it does on these ridiculous MTX "update" e.g. treasure hunter, yak trak, and now this we might have a decent game again.

To re-iterate: Just get rid of the damn thing. It was a bad idea from the get-go as jagex itself admitted.

02-Oct-2023 21:35:19 - Last edited on 02-Oct-2023 21:36:53 by Horsechaser

Dilbert2001
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Horsechaser said :
I would like to see them just get rid of Heros pass altogether. The last thing this game needs is yet another "daily" with grinding requirements. Yak track was, in my opinion, a similar disaster, just a horrible grind. The reality is the Hero's pass was yet another feeble jagex attempt at MTX but coming up with something grindy (like yak track) to get folks to spend money on skips to avoid it.

If you are spending money to avoid it, it should be obvious that players did not want it in the first place. The rewards are more of the constant flood of lamps, stars, proteans, cosmentics etc. etc. ad infinitum, ad nauseum as if the game doesnt have enough of these already.

The survey is a joke. Its worded in such a way as to have us answer questions in a way that continues Heros Pass. I filled it out and used every text box possible to just tell them to get rid of it.

If jagex spent as much effort on real content as it does on these ridiculous MTX "update" e.g. treasure hunter, yak trak, and now this we might have a decent game again.

To re-iterate: Just get rid of the damn thing. It was a bad idea from the get-go as jagex itself admitted.

Some people still want to give the false impression of MTX. There is no MTX talk in the Hero Pass. There is nowhere to spend money to skip it. Facts are facts.

The idea of Community Consultation is to have everybody give us their opinions on how to make Hero Pass even better.

Thankfully, there are really ethical RS3 content creators like Protoxx who show us the Survey question on his usually insightful videos.

02-Oct-2023 21:41:59

H 1 L D A
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MTX isn't the only problem with Hero Pass.

> 1. It's definitely not a major content update, but that is the only update we got period in September.

> 2. It was released with MTX and now there's not enough good will from the community for players to trust Jagex when they even give the faintest hint at something that could be monetized (not just Protoxx, or Dilbert, neither of which ALSO are the entire community, since you're going to call the pot black, Kettle.)

> 3. It was balanced poorly, and now there's not enough goodwill to trust that Jagex will keep the same balancing changes on each version of the pass automatically. We get to wait six weeks for a council of players that are apparently more important than you and I and everyone else to give Jagex the words they want to hear on top of all of that.

> 4. For as much cosmetics were advertised to be in the damn thing, it's three cosmetic sets with palette swaps with the final two sets having slight graphical embellishments. These were seemingly exaggerated.

> 5. Content buffs were introduced into the pass and skewed in favor of premier players or those who purchased the premier track - after players vocally told Jagex not to so the weekend before release.

> 6. It killed any positive momentum Necromancy was giving the game, expediting the feeling that the other combat styles were lagging behind.

I could go on longer.

Being a sunshine pumper for the company isn't the only way one can be ethical and damn well isn't the only way people can show they care about RuneScape. Get off your high horse.
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02-Oct-2023 21:51:25

H 1 L D A
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Okay. The cosmetics STILL continue to be as of this moment three outfits with color swaps with the final ones having small embellishments.

The survey questions are still asking us at this moment about content buffs within Hero Pass, for some stupid reason after we already got that nonsense taken down.

While none of the questions were about MTX, none, at this point in time, were about leaving it out, which is concerning.

The survey still, at this very moment, doesn’t put to rest any concern about balancing from pass to pass, which the earlier news post said was “not necessarily” applicable for some incredibly stupid reason.

It is STILL not a major content update and yet that’s all got last month.

It’s still a reason many players, including content creators, are feeling down about the game lately.

It’s in present tense now. Happy?
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02-Oct-2023 22:46:33

Dilbert2001
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We are being asked how much we like the cosmetics, and we are also given the OPTION to give further opinions on the cosmetics.

Have you done the Survey? They are asking us whether we like to have Content Buffs equally available for every player, meaning we can't buy them and we it won't be unlocked with progression. It is like the Thok event buff happening now, which is free with membership and equally available to every member.

When they don't talk about MTX, it absolutely means no MTX and nothing intended to be discussed. It is just that simple.

"It is STILL not a major content update and yet that’s all got
last month
.

It’s still a reason many players, including content creators, are feeling down about the game lately.

It’s in
present tense
now. Happy?"


Last month is present tense? :D

02-Oct-2023 23:08:34

H 1 L D A
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My point is, regardless of what tense are looking at it, none of those issues have been resolved to the point where players are ready to come back to the game or even where the ones that are still here are content with the product.

Yes, I've done the survey. The thing about cosmetics is that the kind of cosmetics I like are more either simplistic in nature (like the Mod Dragon Off-Duty clothing line we still haven't gotten for some reason even though it was given a spring release date), are legacy items that harken back to RuneScape's past (like the Retro/Remastered thing from last year, which I don't need a freaking battle pass to want to spend money on in the first place!) or do a good job of differentiating a male and female body wearing the armor stylistically (this batch of cosmetics roundly fails on this front.)

HOWEVER

I have to care enough about Hero Pass in the first place to want to even suggest cosmetics for it - not to mention that Jagex THEMES each Hero Pass around other recent content so far, so my suggestion would be out of place regardless. It's not the largest issue I have with Hero Pass out of many, so I just graded the cosmetics poorly and moved on.

I stand by what I said - It's been a month, and Hero Pass is still objectively NOT a major update.
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02-Oct-2023 23:35:10

Dilbert2001
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They have explicitly asked us about the values of the cosmetics in Hero Pass.

So what if Hero Pass WASN'T a major update. We are in October, the October big update is the Ancient Awakening quest, not Hero Pass.

02-Oct-2023 23:43:59

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Terrible launches, broken promises, miscommunications, etc.

All of those things lead to a lack of trust in Jagex, and the longer they are allowed to persist they lead to a loss in players and a downturn in attitude.

That's "so what."

You like to think that the game just constantly marches forward and that it doesn't matter how the players react or feel to certain types of updates apparently.

That's fine, Dilbert, except it matters when players feel like the game isn't worth sticking around for due to how bad certain updates are. It matters when they feel like a company isn't being honest or earnest when it comes to communicating with them.

I've said it multiple times now - but Hero Pass isn't the kind of thing you puff your chest out over applying community consultation over, because it's an update that even at its very best isn't going to be listed as a "good update."

The first thing Jagex should have done was pull the plug on Hero Pass.

The next best thing would have been to tell us why such a feature MUST be in the game and try to meet the community in the middle as opposed to blatantly ignore negative feelings and hostility in the consumer sphere. Companies can make mistakes, and they can choose to fix or acknowledge them.

At minimum? They could move on entirely from this week - roll with new passes with the content buffs forever disabled and the new balancing changes and just LEAVE. THE PLAYERS. OUT OF THIS MESS.

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What they've chosen instead is to force a bad update on players and make it their responsibility to either fix or deal with it - and there's no universe where the playerbase looks at the result and says "You know, I'm happy with this product" as a result.

That's not hearsay, manipulation, misdirection at all. Players don't -win- in this situation, they're being forced to settle.

And they deserve to know that's Jagex's intention here.
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