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BrunoNutto
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Mixed Slush said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Good games don't need many content creators. Jagex can learn from their very own SCUM and see they can get 30k concurrent Steam players compared to 1k from OSRS.

SCUM is going to leave beta soon and will be on console soon. Jagex can move some of the Hero Pass features to SCUM later and make big profits there.

When's rs3 leaving beta?

EoEoC coming soon!

I bet Dilbert was saying Transformers Universe would make Jagex big profits too.

01-Oct-2023 01:43:23

Mixed Slush

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Well this is it.
This is what's pathetic.

Jagex lies yeah.

Like they legit lied to parliament in the UK.
THEN
They now have come to the point where they think they can lie to players who know more about the game than they ever will and not only lie to us but repeat the same lies constantly and we'll still believe em.

So if you read all the threads and memes that were on social media or forums like reddit it's clear no one believes Jagex.

But they still lie.

Like ground hog day.

01-Oct-2023 01:55:34

H 1 L D A
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The vast majority of streamers in either game are streaming boss content, where are the Pkers/Group Irons?


> I mean, thank you for giving me the RS3 defectors. They still count, and doubly so because this game has pushed them away. Another group ironman team I would recommend is the Farmers (Roidie, Mr.Mammal, Faux, MMORPG, ZeCookies)

> Odablock, Rhys, Donator, etc. still very much Pk on stream.

Were you impressed? I didn't even have to open a twitch directory to answer those.

As for your claim about bossing - that's probably true, and it's a testament to how both games have come up with amazing new boss encounters lately and how repeatable the hunt for rare drops and completing collection logs is.

Only difference is - that's literally the whole game on our side of the fence. Most quests aren't replayable, and you'd be hard pressed to see people PvPing or playing minigames on stream in RS3. If RS3 is the game you want to try and strike it big with, you better know how to boss or you're not making rent that month (if you even would anyway given the game's current state...)

Wake me up~ ... When September ends~...


I'll agree with you wholeheartedly here, Dilbert. We have a content roadmap beyond Necromancy's release, and we kind of know from pre-release Necromancy discussions that there is likely some balancing for the combat triangle anticipated after Necromancy's release at some point. These things probably shouldn't have been surprises to the RS3 content creator community.

...except Hero Pass certainly did come as a surprise. It was advertised as a major content update that took up the entire month, and metaphorically all it did was throw cold water on the flame of activity the new skill had brought up. Instead of removing it and moving on - or at least talking about the situation like grown ups - we're all collectively time wasting, and as a result, the game is trending down.
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01-Oct-2023 06:28:20 - Last edited on 01-Oct-2023 06:35:19 by H 1 L D A

Dilbert2001
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@H 1 L D A

Some old streamers in an old GIM team formed 2 years ago and not actively engaging their team members and making content with them aren't GIM streamers any more.

Odablock is spending half his time streaming non-OSRS games lately. He was doing TOA quite a lot when he played OSRS. He definitely wasn't making much pvp content. Don't even get me into telling you may call Odablock an GIM content creator because he is also in a GIM group with other players like Alfie... but as I mentioned being in a GIM group but not actively engaging their team members and making content doesn't mean a thing.... BTW does Alfie still stream OSRS?

It is already October today. The RS3 team should be able to make the October review on the roadmap visible soon, perhaps as soon as tomorrow.

Let me remind you we will have the Hero Pass consultation survey out by tomorrow morning

01-Oct-2023 19:01:33

H 1 L D A
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Boy did we, Dilbert....

Is the Hero Pass survey cognizant of player mood right now?


I wouldn't say so. The questions asked seem to implicitly indicate that Hero Pass is here to stay, and that if the survey results do ultimately get used to shape it, shifts responsibility for it's existence onto the playerbase, like I suggested previously.

Is there an ability to tell Jagex I don't want Hero Pass?


Yes - but no props to Jagex for it, because it's not prompted. I used the opportunity given at the end of the survey to express this. (Any final thoughts before the survey ends, yadayada.)

Does the survey feel like it is worth filling out?


No, but you should anyway.

The reason it doesn't feel worth it is because Jagex will look over survey results not only to see feedback (allegedly) but also to construct their "player panel." They include a bunch of personal questions earlier in the survey to achieve what they feel is a varied demographic, but what feels likely is that ones' actual responses from the survey will be used to generate player panel participants as well. Meaning, that there's reasonable suspicion Jagex might try to keep an eye for respondents that have some positive things to say about Hero Pass even if the general feeling is mostly negative. Particularly negative participants (such as myself) probably have no chance whatsoever in being chosen to be a panel participant.

Why is that a problem? Having a player panel that is more positive than the playerbase writ-large makes such a panel not representative of said playerbase, while providing reasonable suspicion that the larger community's sentiment goes ignored.

(cont.)
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So how would you suggest a player who doesn't want Hero Pass participate in the survey?


Firstly, do not show positives, even slight ones, for anything unless you truly feel like Jagex earned the praise in that area. That means the most positive you can answer is neither here nor there, smack in the middle of the choices given.

Secondly, if you feel particularly negative about the thing Jagex is asking about, you should affirm it with "Very Unexciting/poor/low quality" etc. As bad as Hero Pass existing in general is in the first place, they should absolutely know that the aspects of it need heavy tweaking, especially to players who are not on the wagon with the update yet.

Thirdly, offer constructive criticism on the text bubbles UNTIL you get to the end of the survey - before using the text input to tell them you would want it removed above all else. This will force Jagex to read your entire survey before trashing it (if that's what they do with respondents who indicate they want the pass removed - got a good feeling that's the case, unfortunately.)

Should I try to be on the player panel if I don't want Hero Pass?


Nobody - and I mean literally nobody - should want to be on the player panel for this update, ideally. The best thing that could happen here is that players boycott the opportunity to work with Jagex entirely. Make the company take ownership of the product and not let them pawn it off on you.

The only exception to this would be if Jagex is open to receiving "ditch Hero Pass" as a constructive piece of criticism - which they have so far indicated isn't going to happen.

How did it feel to take this survey?


I felt like the company was once again insulting my intelligence, which would naturally make me feel bad.
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02-Oct-2023 16:37:24

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@H 1 L D A

"Is the Hero Pass survey cognizant of player mood right now?"


Of course it is. It is all about Hero Pass NOW
and not Hero Pass 3 weeks ago which you kept misdirecting players to and failing so.

"Is there an ability to tell Jagex I don't want Hero Pass?"


Sure we can. There are many OPTIONAL questions we can add in our comments.

"Does the survey feel like it is worth filling out?"


The Survey is open to everyone who plays RS3 and is not disinterested in RS3. Only all of us RS3 players can answer the questions to us. Sorry, neither you or me has any business on whether all the players who play RS3 and are not disinterested in RS3 whether the Survery is worth to fill in.

"Firstly, do not show positives, even slight ones"


You just showed your true color. You are just absolutely disingenuous. You intentionally try to mislead RS3 players. You only want Jagex to ignore showing all the good things about RSS3, so you can become even more disingenuous to say RS3 is all bad. :D

"Should I try to be on the player panel if I don't want Hero Pass?"


What does it have a thing to do with everybody else? First, Jagex have all kinds of opinion panels on Discord and other venues for all kind of projects of RS3 and OSRS. RS3 and OSRS choose the panel members, not you or me. I don't think there is any rule to stop you from "trying" to be a panel member, but seeing you already showed your true color by telling us you don't want RS3 to show any positive of their game, I absolutely believes nobody will take the slightest of your incredibly biased words.

02-Oct-2023 17:46:31

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> No. the survey doesn’t take into account the general mood of the playerbase, despite the countless times you keep trying to pawn off players’ takes on the game on other issues - a contributor is Hero Pass. The suggestions from this past week have not made Hero Pass “better” but merely “more tolerable” - but it’s still putting lipstick on a pig. Visit your nearest social media outlet and see for yourself. If your take is that players are super pumped about this survey writ-large, you’re the one being misleading. Not me.

> Thank you for parroting what I literally said in the above post. I did exactly what you said. Used an optional text box unprompted to tell them I didn’t want Hero Pass at all. Others should do the same if they feel the same way.

> It’s because I play and am interested in RuneScape 3 that I bothered to fill out this survey even though I have no kind things to say about Hero Pass. Chew on that sentence.

> The survey is specifically about Hero Pass. Not RuneScape. RuneScape has lots of good things. Hero Pass can’t even remotely say the same for itself. You can’t accuse me of being disingenuous when you don’t even understand what you are responding to.

> I don’t want to be on Jagex’s dumb panel. I was raised to keep my mouth shut if I didn’t have nice things to say.

However - that shouldn’t apply to the many other detractors of Hero Pass. They should be allowed onto the panel if they wish. And somehow I don’t trust Jagex to include those people at all.
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02-Oct-2023 19:55:52

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"> No. the survey doesn’t take into account the general mood of the playerbase, despite the countless times you keep trying to pawn off players’ takes on the game on other issues - a contributor is Hero Pass. The suggestions from this past week have not made Hero Pass “better” but merely “more tolerable” - but it’s still putting lipstick on a pig. Visit your nearest social media outlet and see for yourself. If your take is that players are super pumped about this survey writ-large, you’re the one being misleading. Not me."


Since when has H 1 L D A become the entire playerbase of RS3? The survey is open to everybody. How do you know about the "general mood" of everybody else?

" Others should do the same if they feel the same way."


I believe everybody is invited to give their own opinion. They have don't t parrot your opinion.

"> It’s because I play and am interested in RuneScape 3 that I bothered to fill out this survey even though I have no kind things to say about Hero Pass. Chew on that sentence."


Didn't you write "Firstly, do not show positives, even slight ones"?

The Survey is aimed to make Hero Pass even better. Why do you not want it to show anything even slightly positive?

"They should be allowed onto the panel if they wish. And somehow I don’t trust Jagex to include those people at all."


Please tell us what Jagex panels allowed everybody in it? Do they allow everybody into the OSRS New Skill panel?

02-Oct-2023 20:48:33

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