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Apr

2020

H 1 L D A

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Which is exactly why RS doesn't even NEED a battle pass.

1. They have t95 equipment which require hours of time for most players to grind out experience and money to acquire.

2. They have several items/spells/prayers/etc locked behind quests, which have a wide range of difficulties.

3. They have past rewards from holiday events that are special and unique simply because you could get them only at a certain time in history, and from there they have things like limited items from things like Treasure Hunter that are special because you had to get lucky -on top- of participating at a certain time.

4. You have Solomon's Store and the Marketplace where you can find cosmetics that nobody else is going to have unless you straight up buy in.

I could go on and on it feels like - and none of this is even mentioning that there is a subscription required just to be a member and play the entire game.

Occam's razor being employed here - removing Hero Pass seems like the quickest, easiest solution to come to.

If you need something to drive up the game's engagement do what you did in the month prior to the Hero Pass' release.

Make. Good. Content.

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03-Oct-2023 03:47:44

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Roddy Piper said :
I don't understand the expected results of all this, if it doesn't include skips.

Are they looking for the minimum amount of time the players would allow, and still think it was worth having?

Battle Pass 101 said to figure out how much time the players would allow before it was considered a grind.

Why would they do the opposite of that? To NOT make money?

I've been known to partake in skips from time to time. I'm not entirely against it.

I can't imagine a seasonal pass system that didn't have a way to catch up and finish using MTX. It's almost silly to think of.

Because what they are promoting now is 12 month Premier Club, not MTX. Literally the latest Hero Pass is just "buy 12 month Premier Club" get the pace it yourself Hero Pass and gain all the rewards. It is just that simple.

03-Oct-2023 03:53:12

Apr

2020

H 1 L D A

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Technically, having a premier track at all (even if it's exclusive to PC members now) means that Hero Pass still has MTX in it...

Here's the thing about Premier. It's already a great bargain and it already is nice financially because it keeps players off the hook on some regular expense. It also works really good for gift ideas for yourself or the RuneScape player in your life - and none of it, needed to be attached to the Hero Pass to be viable.

Furthermore, imagine banking on the Hero Pass' only source of income being Premier sales. Skips/just the premier track are a whole lot cheaper. Now - you are essentially asking people to pay a fortune to unlock the entire track, that they then need to play the game in order to complete it.

Not only would a consumer friendly version of Hero Pass not sell Premier Club, it wouldn't even feel worth the purchase because at the end of the day, you're going to need to engage with the game anyway now.

I'm still with Roddy - Jagex probably does need to find a way to backdoor more profit on their end to reach their objectives.

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03-Oct-2023 04:03:21 - Last edited on 03-Oct-2023 04:04:23 by H 1 L D A

Jan

2011

Roddy Piper

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After the daily challenge returns, it is straight up Yak vs hero pass.

I would have suggested Giraffe Track, but they probably wouldn't let me hide other peoples' giraffes. It would be a total nightmare. :-P

For premier, that could all be a monthly drop. Which is a bit lacking TBH. I just got a bunch of cosmetic items for like 20k GP each. I had no idea they existed until I saw complaints about their frequency. My reward was a lucky item, which seems to be my thing. I feel so lucky to get T80 DG weapons. How. Why.

Also that bit about long-time users with nothing to spend their tokens on. If they plan on adding future rewards, it would be a good idea to let those existing tokens be redeemed for something else before that happens. So they don't get all the rewards on day 1, but they get something. Etc....

Edit: those rewards I was talking about are from the Umbral Chest drop this month for premier. I had to wiki it.

03-Oct-2023 04:15:14 - Last edited on 03-Oct-2023 04:31:43 by Roddy Piper

Jan

2011

Roddy Piper

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I'm still interested in seeing more special missions. We just haven't had any updates to see what that is like. The first batch was based on an entire skill, and the timing was just after everyone was grinding rituals before the XP nerf.

Since everyone was already doing it, the extra rewards didn't seem very important. For newly released content those rewards might seem a lot more valuable. Especially if it is something a player doesn't really want to do.

IMO it's an important bit of information that isn't really clear until we see more special missions. Was the first one balanced around us already doing the skill? That can't be compared to new releases, to know how much they are even asking us to do.

03-Oct-2023 04:52:12

Apr

2020

H 1 L D A

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I believe special missions are always sort of geared toward newer pieces of content.

It's why we saw a lineup that went something like:

> Do necromancy rituals
> Do Raptor slayer tasks
> Get 99 Necromancy or whatever.

As much as I'm not super keen on this update, there's a nice place for directing players toward newer content there that I can't really argue against.

You probably won't get new Special Missions terribly often - perhaps you only get one set per pass, judging by the expiration date on the mission itself. It allows Jagex to actually release new content first.

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03-Oct-2023 05:07:17

Jan

2011

Roddy Piper

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They talked about special missions in the hero pass update #1 post:

As an additional note, we've designed the Hero Pass mission system to allow us to add more Special Missions to supplement content releases and updates, to ensure that you can be rewarded with significant bursts of Hero Points for exploring new updates as and when new missions arrive. We'll continue to bring additional Special Missions throughout Hero Pass: Underworld and will continue to provide helpful boosts to your progress as you encounter them.

03-Oct-2023 05:23:40

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Roddy Piper said :
They talked about special missions in the hero pass update #1 post:

As an additional note, we've designed the Hero Pass mission system to allow us to add more Special Missions to supplement content releases and updates, to ensure that you can be rewarded with significant bursts of Hero Points for exploring new updates as and when new missions arrive. We'll continue to bring additional Special Missions throughout Hero Pass: Underworld and will continue to provide helpful boosts to your progress as you encounter them.

The Special Missions are very easy ones like just complete the Dead and Buried quest for thousands of Hero Points. Most players are going to do them anyway.

We are going to have new Necromancy updates and bosses soon. That's the New Special Missions upcoming.

03-Oct-2023 16:20:13

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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H 1 L D A said :
Technically, having a premier track at all (even if it's exclusive to PC members now) means that Hero Pass still has MTX in it...

Here's the thing about Premier. It's already a great bargain and it already is nice financially because it keeps players off the hook on some regular expense. It also works really good for gift ideas for yourself or the RuneScape player in your life - and none of it, needed to be attached to the Hero Pass to be viable.

Furthermore, imagine banking on the Hero Pass' only source of income being Premier sales. Skips/just the premier track are a whole lot cheaper. Now - you are essentially asking people to pay a fortune to unlock the entire track, that they then need to play the game in order to complete it.

Not only would a consumer friendly version of Hero Pass not sell Premier Club, it wouldn't even feel worth the purchase because at the end of the day, you're going to need to engage with the game anyway now.

I'm still with Roddy - Jagex probably does need to find a way to backdoor more profit on their end to reach their objectives.

We can still buy Premier Hero Pass with Bonds, but this is just exactly like Yak Track. Nothing more MTX.

MTX is not a focus of Hero Pass because Jagex is going to be sold in a matter of months. Even if they want to put MTX into the next Hero Pass, which will only come in December, it may already be too late to make a difference as Jagex is said to be possibly sold in an auction by then.

03-Oct-2023 16:24:23

Feb

2008

CaptKoloth

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Dilbert2001 said :
CaptKoloth said :
Mixed Slush said :
Are there any decent rs3 content creators?

The RS3 team have created some decent quests. But the rest of the stuff is way too easy. OSRS has the best content creators. To honest.

The contrary is true. RS3 quests are great and entertaining, and they are easy, but intentionally to be easy with easy mode out like DTD.

PvM content in RS3 is actually the hardest part with most content creators spending their time on bossing.

You don't see this perhaps because RS3 content creators are for most parts a bunch of small variety streamers who play multiple games. The sample of RS3 content creators are too small to show anything. TheRSGuy has explained the reason is Jagex isn't paying RS3 content creators.

Quests do not have to be hard. They need to be made for mainly mid-level players. They just need to be fun and have good stories. The idea they have to be hard is because of all the maxers. Pvm is easy because of OP equipment. Bosses start hard. But become easy with their own drops or other drops. Or from updates like Necromancy.

05-Oct-2023 04:03:45 - Last edited on 05-Oct-2023 04:04:43 by CaptKoloth

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