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Dilbert2001
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Fish Kitten said :
Dadak0 said :

This morning while building up my currency harvesting Fellstalk seeds (the preferred seed), I avg 18 herbs with one seed, Seren of Crwys active and juju farming potion.
Now at Plant Power (tier 2), I avg 8 herbs with the same setup. When I planted 4 seeds, the most I got was 13 herbs.

I did a similar experiment, 20 minutes each time (greenfingers), using insta-grow pots I'd stockpiled from POF. First round was doing a single seed at a time like normal; second was using four. The net benefit just isn't there . Unless they boost the harvest ratios, the plant power "perk" is pointless.

From the Garden of Kharid develper blog posted last week:

Using ultracompost, planting 1 seed used to yield 6 herbs (default), and today planting 4 seeds will give us 10 herbs.

Last week, I bought spirit weed seeds for 1k each. I planted 1 seed (an investment of 1k) and got 6 herbs worth 10k each for a total return of 60k. Net profit = 59k.

Today, I planted 4 seeds for an investment of 4k and got 10 herbs for a total return of 100k. Net profit = 96k

Obviously a profit of 96k > 59k.

If I upgrade to plant 10 seeds at once, my investment will be 10k, and my yield will be 18 herbs for a total return of 180k. Net profit = 170k.

170k obviously is greater than 59k and 96k.

07-Nov-2022 19:12:46 - Last edited on 07-Nov-2022 19:15:47 by Dilbert2001

Dilbert2001
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The other obvious factor why we want to buy Plant Power unlocks, and not buy them but them them ASAP, is we get more Crux Equa points from planting multiple seeds, the more seeds we plant, the more CE points we get, and therefore not just profits from harvesting herbs but also all the other stuff we get from the Garden of Kharid Reward Shop.

07-Nov-2022 19:41:00

Dadak0
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Yes, you get more Crux Equa points by planting more seeds, but the question you need to ask yourself, why am I doing this?

1) If it is to get Crux Equa points faster, then yes
2) If it is for profit, then following your numbers,
1 seed = 6 herbs “ total return of 60k. Net profit = 59k”
4 seed (at once) = 10 herbs “total return of 100k. Net profit = 96k”
You didn’t include if you planted 4 seeds separately.
4 seeds separately planted using the 1 seed = 6 herbs
6 herbs x 4 = 24 herbs
24 herbs x 10k = 240k
Cost of herbs 4 seeds x 1k = 4k
Total profit on the 4 seeds planted separately
240k – 4k = 236K
So the realized gain/loss is 96k-236k = -143 (LOSS)
This results in a net loss of $143k

So more often you will loose, not gain.

07-Nov-2022 19:59:14

Dilbert2001
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^^
I want more Crux Equa points and profits, both. Why not?

We can plant seeds separately, but so can we plant 4 seeds each separately on 4 different patches.

"4 seeds separately planted using the 1 seed = 6 herbs"
????

Why do that when we an plant 16 seeds separately on 4 different patches each with 4 seeds?

07-Nov-2022 20:10:35

Daddy Roshi
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Dilbert2001 said :
^^
I want more Crux Equa points and profits, both. Why not?

We can plant seeds separately, but so can we plant 4 seeds each separately on 4 different patches.

"4 seeds separately planted using the 1 seed = 6 herbs"
????

Why do that when we an plant 16 seeds separately on 4 different patches each with 4 seeds? because at a decreased yield per seed planted u lose more money than u would make in the long run doing 1 seed per patch

So it's a smaller profit in a short time rather than bigger profit in the long run that's the issue ur being punished by using more seeds in the long run
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07-Nov-2022 20:50:03

Dilbert2001
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Daddy Roshi said :
Dilbert2001 said :
^^
I want more Crux Equa points and profits, both. Why not?

We can plant seeds separately, but so can we plant 4 seeds each separately on 4 different patches.

"4 seeds separately planted using the 1 seed = 6 herbs"
????

Why do that when we an plant 16 seeds separately on 4 different patches each with 4 seeds? because at a decreased yield per seed planted u lose more money than u would make in the long run doing 1 seed per patch

So it's a smaller profit in a short time rather than bigger profit in the long run that's the issue ur being punished by using more seeds in the long run

Again, I already show you the calculation. We make more profits planting more seeds, and even more profits over the long run after we unlock everything in the Reward Shop and earn even more points to buy other stuff for more profits like instant growth.

It is like the POF. The faster we unlock features like larger and larger pens and bigger and bigger animals to breed, the more and more and more and more non-stopping profits we make.

07-Nov-2022 21:38:43

Heinzchen
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dibert-stop being such a "jagex defender". I don't care what the developer say. This is a crap update. before this update i could get 70-90 herbs from 6 plots. Now we are supposed to be impressed by getting 6 per plot? If 1 seed gives 6 herbs then planting 10 seeds should yield 60 herbs. The developer word spin saying it's to get rid of seeds is B.S. What does it matter how many seeds are in the seed bag not used. When I plant I want high yield. Somehow I'm supposed to be happy when planting 10 seeds with a yield of 1.8 herbs per seed??

07-Nov-2022 22:11:07

Dilbert2001
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It is all up to players who actually see the real profits to plant 10 seeds. The ones who want to plant one seed they still can, and they can admire the others making huge profits through farming although they don't get such profits.

Meanwhile, most of us are very happy with Jagex narrowing the gap between skillers and pvmers. Even many pvmers admired this update too as they think such game changing updates are great for the game. It is also refreshing to see the likes of Wazzy leaving the PvM Hub and looking for buckets to make composts and farm herbs.

07-Nov-2022 22:40:24

MaliceKooper
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Heinzchen said :
dibert-stop being such a "jagex defender". I don't care what the developer say. This is a crap update. before this update i could get 70-90 herbs from 6 plots. Now we are supposed to be impressed by getting 6 per plot? If 1 seed gives 6 herbs then planting 10 seeds should yield 60 herbs. The developer word spin saying it's to get rid of seeds is B.S. What does it matter how many seeds are in the seed bag not used. When I plant I want high yield. Somehow I'm supposed to be happy when planting 10 seeds with a yield of 1.8 herbs per seed??

THIS right here . I said it was a trash update to begin with as it PUNISHES not helps those that can't boss / skillers

07-Nov-2022 22:55:21

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