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Dilbert2001
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EOC didn't fail, and evidently so when we are not just still seeing the 22 year old RS3 in 2023, but also seeing the RS3 what Mod Pips said with better than ever subscription rate, and financial growth. EOC, together with other established RS3 technological systems and IP, will also be the building blocks for the future of the Runescape franchise for Jagex.

Jagex just missed the opportunity of getting a leg up on their competitors 10 years ago with a more polished EOC system, complemented by Revolution Mode. They made amends though and it worked, and that's why we are still seeing this 22 year old RS3 in 2023 and they are talking about the next 20 years already, while most typical MMORPGs run out of tricks after 10 years and eventually have to even go replaced by a newer version or slip into maintenance mode.

Every developer made mistakes with every long running game, RS3 has probably learned from their mistakes in early 2010's. Instead of rushing to hope to become the David to compete with all the Goliaths in the marketplace against all odds, they invested to build up concrete foundations gradually, and it is paying dividends.

09-Apr-2023 16:27:05

Sc Jw
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Dilbert2001 said :
EOC didn't fail
More people outright quit or moved to old school than stayed in the main game. OSRS is still larger than RS3 after all these years. EOC as a concept was fine, I'll even go with needed to attract new/retain certain types of players. But it's rollout was a spectacular failure and the main game has never recovered from it.

Dilbert2001 said :
complemented by Revolution Mode
It's a band-aid to bridge the gap between the complexity of full manual and the simplicity of legacy. It takes an astounding level of arrogance to think you can force your entire player base to switch from one to the other overnight.

Let's look at the timeline again. 5 months to roll out OSRS and that wouldn't have been done if people weren't leaving in droves. 15 months to roll out Revolution because the bleeding never stopped. 20 months before they threw in the towel and allowed legacy.

Had the rollout included Revolution while leaving in legacy I think it would have worked because it would have allowed people to transition at their own pace.

Dilbert2001 said :
financial growth
This is due to getting more $$$ per player. Some of that is higher subscription fees. Some is from officially allowing alts to interact with your main resulting in multiple memberships per player. But MTX is the big one.

And as much as I hate to admit it bonds are a good thing. If you can't stop the offsite gold sellers then join them. I'd much rather see people buy gp directly from Jagex than from some sleazebag running an army of bots.

09-Apr-2023 18:58:13

Dilbert2001
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@ScJw

I don't know why you changed the topic to OSRS when we are clearly seeing and talking about the successfulness of RS3 that even the world acclaimed Forbes magazine complimented. OSRS is just 10 year old, unfortunately we can't compare OSRS to the 22 year old RS3. Did Forbes or any entity ever praise OSRS for its successfulness and existence after 20 years? Perhaps you should come back 12 years later and tell us your opinions, if OSRS still exists in 2035.

Regardless of what you think about OSRS in 2023 and the existence of OSRS (or lack of) in the future, RS3 is still one of the most well known video games on this planet according to Forbes and the fastest growing game of the Jagex collection of games, with or without the existence of OSRS because RS3 has its own very unique lore, IP and technologies that are 100% independent of OSRS.

10-Apr-2023 15:34:45 - Last edited on 10-Apr-2023 16:09:08 by Dilbert2001

E I E dInO
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Games think and take care of themselves instead of hoping their competitors don't exist stand far better chances for longevity.

RS3 respect their competitors, learn from them, and build their own foundations, instead of bad-mouthing and hoping the other games don't exist. That's why they prosper, and this is perhaps the only way for any game to live that long.

As Descartes said "I think, therefore I am", RS3 use their brains instead of their mouths the past 22 years, therefore they exist now.

10-Apr-2023 20:48:28

Sc Jw
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Dilbert2001 said :
I don't know why you changed the topic to OSRS
I'm not, and I don't play it either. But I did use it to blow up your claim about "game modes that make us restart our character or account builds". Then said we only came back because RS3 now has legacy mode. I was not expecting a reply.

But then you tried to use Revolution to rewrite history in order to make things fit your viewpoint so I blew that up too. Afterwards you tripled down with legacy falling by the wayside. Whoops. And since OSRS is larger than RS3 which is really "the main game"?


Dilbert2001 said :
when we are clearly seeing and talking about the successfulness of RS3 that even the world acclaimed Forbes magazine complimented.
There are less than 700k people on the entire planet who care enough about what Forbes says to bother with a subscription. It used to be "world acclaimed" but that was a long time ago.

How many times in the Forbes article did they say "Runescape" vs "RS3"? What does the RS part of OSRS stand for? ;)

Dilbert2001 said :
OSRS is just 10 year old, unfortunately we can't compare OSRS to the 22 year old RS3.
Yes, yes we can. Because OSRS started with the late 2007 code base. And most of the players came from RS3 because they didn't like the new style of game play.

EOC didn't "save" Runescape. Runescape has succeeded in spite of it. Or to be more accurate, the way it was rolled out. And if you are taking any of this as me being a fan of OSRS, then once again, you are wrong.

But it's still a part of Runescape, and by player count, the larger one.

11-Apr-2023 21:55:20

Dilbert2001
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Is RSC a part of this 22 year old RS3? It failed and is shut down now.

Fortunately, RS3 is still running, and not just Forbes knows it but all of us who are playing it know it.

RS3 has been building, modernizing and improving the game for 22 years. Failed games like RSC didn't. So were countless video games, old and new. That's why they didn't last 22 years, unlike RS3.

12-Apr-2023 00:06:17

Sc Jw
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Dilbert2001 said :
Is RSC a part of this 22 year old RS3? It failed and is shut down now.
RSC? Classic? Now who's changing the subject lmao

You said 22 years for RS3 so that would have to included RSC. RS2 was released on 29 March 2004 and OSRS is based on late 2007 code, so it's RS2.

Dilbert2001 said :
Fortunately, RS3 is still running, and not just Forbes knows it but all of us who are playing it know it.
Of course it's still running, I'm playing it, nobody has said otherwise.

Dilbert2001 said :
RS3 has been building, modernizing and improving the game for 22 years. Failed games like RSC didn't. So were countless video games, old and new. That's why they didn't last 22 years, unlike RS3.
Runescape has never stopped being "modernized". RSC ->RS2, which effectively split into OSRS and RS3. You do know OSRS has added many new things since it was released.

As for lasting, lets compare. This website shows 126,148 players online but that includes OSRS. Which is easily provable, just add up the player count for all RS3 worlds. The oldschool website shows 100,162 players online so there are only 26k in RS3 right now.

Tell me again about how well RS3 is doing versus OSRS.

Just went and pulled up the Forbes article for grins. Nowhere does it mention anything about EOC. But it does mention old school, and "both flavours of the game".

So you've just been making crap up this whole time.

12-Apr-2023 04:38:06

Dilbert2001
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^^
I am not changing the subject at all. I am asking you if RSC is part of RS3? To me it is not. Neither is OSRS. If you think OSRS is part of RS3 then RSC is also a part of RS3. RSC can die and so can OSRS shortly but they don't mean a thing to RS3 because RS3 makes content on its own and big money for Jagex with no dependencies to RSC and OSRS whatsoever.

RS3 is the IP and techonologies hub for all the other Runescape games rather. RS3 is the Juggernaut for the entier Runescape franchise including the new unannounced ones, not the other way.

What happened to RSC and OSRS, and will happen to the new unannounced Runescape games have nothing to do with the existence and longevity of the 22 year old RS3.

12-Apr-2023 04:46:54 - Last edited on 12-Apr-2023 05:01:32 by Dilbert2001

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