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Ippe
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I barely spoke any English when I first started playing back in 2003. I am very grateful for everything that RuneScape has taught me throughout all these years :)
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28-Sep-2023 04:53:02

Dilbert2001
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I learned OSRS is really faltering in Twitch that they have to pay smaller RS3 streamers to create content for them. When OSRS is running out of huggggeeee streamers, the small RS3 streamers typically with 100 viewers or far less have become their idols now.

28-Sep-2023 16:20:32

Sc Jw
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What I've learned is that contrary to what Dilbert says OSRS does NOT have MTX. Here's the testimony under oath in the House of Commons concerning, see Q447 and Q449:

https://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/digital-culture-media-and-sport-committee/immersive-and-addictive-technologies/oral/99205.html

29-Sep-2023 03:38:43

Dilbert2001
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I have learned Jagex is told by PEGI they aren't allowed to deceive the consumers by false advertising there is no MTX in OSRS. Hence all of us who can see OSRS has Drugs and Ingame pruchases (AKS MTX) everytime we bring ups OSRS from the Jagex Launcher.

29-Sep-2023 16:13:35

Sc Jw
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Dilbert2001 said :
I have learned Jagex is told by PEGI they aren't allowed to deceive the consumers by false advertising there is no MTX in OSRS. Hence all of us who can see OSRS has Drugs and Ingame pruchases (AKS MTX) everytime we bring ups OSRS from the Jagex Launcher.
Here we go again, posting things you know nothing about. Here's why OSRS has a PEGI 16 rating:

"This game has received a PEGI 16 because it features prominent use of alcohol. Not suitable for persons under 16 years of age."

"The player's character can gather resources in order to brew and consume alcoholic drinks. The drinking of alcohol gives health and status benefits."

A PEGI 3 rating allows in game purchases but as soon as you mention drugs, boom, it's a 16.

As to bonds, those are legally not microtransactions. To say otherwise means either Neil McClarty of Jagex committed perjury under oath before the House of Commons in a evidentiary hearing, or you are about commit libel against him.

You might think very carefully before you comment on that further.

29-Sep-2023 19:01:48

Dilbert2001
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The detailed PEGI 16 - Drug and In Game Purchase rating are described in the official PEGI.org website:

OSRS
Content specific issues
The player's character can gather resources in order to brew and consume alcoholic drinks. The drinking of alcohol gives health and status benefits.

Other issues:
This game offers players the opportunity to purchase in-game items
, in the form of Coins, Old School Bonds and memberships, which some parents or carers may want to be aware of. Parents, carers or other responsible adults should check to see what is being offered before making any purchase on behalf of a child. It should be noted that the game can still be played without the need to purchase such items.

29-Sep-2023 19:41:42

Sc Jw
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Sc Jw

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Dilbert2001 said :
The detailed PEGI 16 - Drug and In Game Purchase rating are described in the official PEGI.org website:
And you ignored this part, again:

This game has received a PEGI 16 because it features prominent use of alcohol.


They tell you flat up why it got the rating you are just trying to ignore it.

Now in the "other issues" section it does mention bonds, but it also mentions "membership". If a game is not totally free, in every way, you're gonna get that one. And then it'll probably go off on advertisements and how they might be inappropriate.

The bottom line is that in the eyes of the law bonds are not considered to be microtransactions. We have testimony under oath that states OSRS does not have microtransactions. To say otherwise, after being confronted with the evidence, is to accuse an officer of Jagex of committing perjury before the House of Commons.

Sure you want to go there?

29-Sep-2023 21:10:28

Dilbert2001
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Sc Jw said :
Dilbert2001 said :
The detailed PEGI 16 - Drug and In Game Purchase rating are described in the official PEGI.org website:
And you ignored this part, again:

This game has received a PEGI 16 because it features prominent use of alcohol.


They tell you flat up why it got the rating you are just trying to ignore it.

Now in the "other issues" section it does mention bonds, but it also mentions "membership". If a game is not totally free, in every way, you're gonna get that one. And then it'll probably go off on advertisements and how they might be inappropriate.

The bottom line is that in the eyes of the law bonds are not considered to be microtransactions. We have testimony under oath that states OSRS does not have microtransactions. To say otherwise, after being confronted with the evidence, is to accuse an officer of Jagex of committing perjury before the House of Commons.

Sure you want to go there?

Complete rubbish. PEGI specifically told us OSRS has MTX, and not only that, they told us clearly what MTX they have. They clearly told us not just bonds, but they are being able to obtain Coins, and advise the parents and careers not to be fooled by false advertiser:

"This game offers players the opportunity to purchase in-game items, in the form of Coins, Old School Bonds and memberships, which some parents or carers may want to be aware of. Parents, carers or other responsible adults should check to see what is being offered before making any purchase on behalf of a child. It should be noted that the game can still be played without the need to purchase such items."

29-Sep-2023 21:13:49 - Last edited on 29-Sep-2023 21:17:36 by Dilbert2001

Sc Jw
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Dilbert2001 said :
Complete rubbish.

Q447 Julian Knight: My local golf club does not have 260 million members, though. There is a slight difference in scale and also in the age of those particular users. You chose to do your microtransactions on RuneScape but your Old School RuneScape does not have microtransactions, that is correct, isn’t it?

Neil McClarty: Correct, yes.


So, are you saying that Neil Mclarty of Jagex lied under oath, thereby giving false evidence to the House of Commons? Time to put your big boy britches on and step up to the plate if you are.

Get it through your thick skull. Bonds are not legally considered "microtransactions". And Jagex didn't force them on OSRS either, they voted to allow them.

PEGI assigned the 16 rating because of the "prominent use of alcohol", those are their own words. And for them the ability to buy membership in game is same as bonds, it's even in the same sentence.

And I love their part about "unrealistic violence" too. I guess we need to go back to beating Jad with a rubber chicken. And hide the drunken dwarf, he'll corrupt your children! PEGI is a joke.

29-Sep-2023 22:12:36

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