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^ I agree this is a real problem. Especially when there aren't many sale reports.
From some KOS i know the trades are legit. Still they can't be used.
If we make a new rule about this i prefer a clear one without exceptions.
I think we should only blacklist known street-trade manips/fakers from compilations. This is the best solution for a clear and easy rule. This would be separate from the KOS list.
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From some KOS i know the trades are legit. Still they can't be used.
If we make a new rule about this i prefer a clear one without exceptions.
I think we should only blacklist known street-trade manips/fakers from compilations. This is the best solution for a clear and easy rule. This would be separate from the KOS list.
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27-Mar-2016 03:56:00 - Last edited on 27-Mar-2016 04:05:26 by Ferenc2017
poppa
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hello everyone and thanks for this f.c. i used it yesterday and found it a little helpful but a little confusing,because i did not read the rules lol.sorry i have now and i wanted to comment/question about post 1.2 "Party Hats (Below Max Cash):[Purple/Yellow/Green]"
should that be updated?
thanks again
You are correct. When the front page was updated last year, the Purple, Yellow, and Green Party Hats were still below max, but obviously that is far from the case now. Thanks for pointing out the mistake, we can try to get Lyra to fix it when she get's a chance!
hello everyone and thanks for this f.c. i used it yesterday and found it a little helpful but a little confusing,because i did not read the rules lol.sorry i have now and i wanted to comment/question about post 1.2 "Party Hats (Below Max Cash):[Purple/Yellow/Green]"
should that be updated?
thanks again
You are correct. When the front page was updated last year, the Purple, Yellow, and Green Party Hats were still below max, but obviously that is far from the case now. Thanks for pointing out the mistake, we can try to get Lyra to fix it when she get's a chance!
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28-Mar-2016 06:23:30
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My suggestion is that none of the phat-to-phat trades are included in range setting discussions. I know many will think this takes away even more of the already sparse reports on these items, but my opinion is that they are more often actually detrimental to the updating process rather than helpful.
Food for thought
That's a lot of trades we'd potentially lose :S. Would it be better if they were recorded as the upgrade (e.g. P+100) and then when purple (for example) is upgraded, we use the new purple range to pc the trade? Ofc the hat upgraded-from wouldn't always be updated, but when it is, I'd say using the new, most recent range is good. Andy Murray to win Wimbledon 2022.
My suggestion is that none of the phat-to-phat trades are included in range setting discussions. I know many will think this takes away even more of the already sparse reports on these items, but my opinion is that they are more often actually detrimental to the updating process rather than helpful.
Food for thought
That's a lot of trades we'd potentially lose :S. Would it be better if they were recorded as the upgrade (e.g. P+100) and then when purple (for example) is upgraded, we use the new purple range to pc the trade? Ofc the hat upgraded-from wouldn't always be updated, but when it is, I'd say using the new, most recent range is good. Andy Murray to win Wimbledon 2022.
03-Apr-2016 19:38:12
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Trips said :
Rule is that updates aren't taken from any kos. Lurers and scammers inhumanely get their rares, so they aren't afraid to dump for prices the average person can't buy at. Most trolls and manips can't be taken seriously so why should their updates be trusted? I know there are a few cases where some kos people don't really fit into the categories and should have 'special exceptions' but it doesn't look good for the fc if we allow certain kos people to be in the fc giving updates.
I don't think trolls' or spammers' trades should be taken for these reasons. Known manips obviously excluded. Imo there would have to be a good reason to start accepting trades from someone on kos: maybe lurer who merches and trades a lot of hats? But then in the small number of cases where we'd be confident that the trade is legitimate, is that enough to make a significant impact on the speed of updating ranges?
I can't think of many people who would fit here: one or two maybe. If you want to PM me names feel free (or reddit pm me), cause god forbid I hurt the lurers' feelings by naming and shaming here
Andy Murray to win Wimbledon 2022.
Trips said :
Rule is that updates aren't taken from any kos. Lurers and scammers inhumanely get their rares, so they aren't afraid to dump for prices the average person can't buy at. Most trolls and manips can't be taken seriously so why should their updates be trusted? I know there are a few cases where some kos people don't really fit into the categories and should have 'special exceptions' but it doesn't look good for the fc if we allow certain kos people to be in the fc giving updates.
I don't think trolls' or spammers' trades should be taken for these reasons. Known manips obviously excluded. Imo there would have to be a good reason to start accepting trades from someone on kos: maybe lurer who merches and trades a lot of hats? But then in the small number of cases where we'd be confident that the trade is legitimate, is that enough to make a significant impact on the speed of updating ranges?
I can't think of many people who would fit here: one or two maybe. If you want to PM me names feel free (or reddit pm me), cause god forbid I hurt the lurers' feelings by naming and shaming here
Andy Murray to win Wimbledon 2022.
03-Apr-2016 19:47:12 - Last edited on 03-Apr-2016 19:55:23 by S z
S z
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Original message details are unavailable.
My suggestion is that none of the phat-to-phat trades are included in range setting discussions. I know many will think this takes away even more of the already sparse reports on these items, but my opinion is that they are more often actually detrimental to the updating process rather than helpful.
Food for thought
That's a lot of trades we'd potentially lose :S. Would it be better if they were recorded as the upgrade (e.g. P+100) and then when purple (for example) is upgraded, we use the new purple range to pc the trade? Ofc the hat upgraded-from wouldn't always be updated, but when it is, I'd say using the new, most recent range is good.
My point, which you didn't quote from the original post, was that a phat upgrade/downgrade hardly provides any additional information about the intrinsic value of the item in question. It merely gives information about the spread between phats, which often is a redundancy to a prior price quotation (or even backwards looking in many cases).
For this reason, I think they should be excluded. Currently we are updating phats every 3-5 new trades anyways, so not sure removing the limited number of these "false indications" will result in worse ranges. In fact, I think it would likely lead to *better* ranges.
Great discussion so far, thanks for the input!
Original message details are unavailable.
My suggestion is that none of the phat-to-phat trades are included in range setting discussions. I know many will think this takes away even more of the already sparse reports on these items, but my opinion is that they are more often actually detrimental to the updating process rather than helpful.
Food for thought
That's a lot of trades we'd potentially lose :S. Would it be better if they were recorded as the upgrade (e.g. P+100) and then when purple (for example) is upgraded, we use the new purple range to pc the trade? Ofc the hat upgraded-from wouldn't always be updated, but when it is, I'd say using the new, most recent range is good.
My point, which you didn't quote from the original post, was that a phat upgrade/downgrade hardly provides any additional information about the intrinsic value of the item in question. It merely gives information about the spread between phats, which often is a redundancy to a prior price quotation (or even backwards looking in many cases).
For this reason, I think they should be excluded. Currently we are updating phats every 3-5 new trades anyways, so not sure removing the limited number of these "false indications" will result in worse ranges. In fact, I think it would likely lead to *better* ranges.
Great discussion so far, thanks for the input!
03-Apr-2016 21:46:49
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