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I know you are all busy dealing with FC issues such as the range items already but here's another one for you. As far as I know, it was never the FC's official policy to reject updates from everyone on the KOS list no matter the reason for their listing. The rule was that updates were not accepted from those on the known manip list, which makes perfect sense. Even that rule seems to have disappeared from the new version of the rules. Maybe the rule changed at some point and I'm just not aware of it, but I think it could be doing the FC community a disservice to be rejecting updates that appear to be totally legit. In the case of a range trade, I would think that if the other party was a rank it would be accepted anyway. I don't know if that's the case or not, but I don't see how rejecting updates that there is no reason to believe are manip serves the purposes of the FC. Instead I think it goes against the purpose of the FC to provide the most up to date and accurate pcs. In any case, I suggest that the FC take a look at this and append/revise the written rules to reflect the FC's official policy.

Edit: Minor editorial changes

23-Oct-2015 15:23:51 - Last edited on 23-Oct-2015 16:38:37 by 465798359gjk

Trips
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465798359gjk said :
I know you are all busy dealing with FC issues such as the range items already but here's another one for you. As far as I know, it was never the FC's official policy to reject updates from everyone on the KOS list no matter the reason for their listing. The rule was that updates were not accepted from those on the known manip list, which makes perfect sense. Even that rule seems to have disappeared from the new version of the rules. Maybe the rule changed at some point and I'm just not aware of it, but I think it could be doing the FC community a disservice to be rejecting updates that appear to be totally legit. In the case of a range trade, I would think that if the other party was a rank it would be accepted anyway. I don't know if that's the case or not, but I don't see how rejecting updates that there is no reason to believe are manip serves the purposes of the FC. Instead I think it goes against the purpose of the FC to provide the most up to date and accurate pcs. In any case, I suggest that the FC take a look at this and append/revise the written rules to reflect the FC's official policy.

Edit: Minor editorial changes


Rule is that updates aren't taken from any kos. Lurers and scammers inhumanely get their rares, so they aren't afraid to dump for prices the average person can't buy at. Most trolls and manips can't be taken seriously so why should their updates be trusted? I know there are a few cases where some kos people don't really fit into the categories and should have 'special exceptions' but it doesn't look good for the fc if we allow certain kos people to be in the fc giving updates.

24-Oct-2015 17:09:32 - Last edited on 24-Oct-2015 17:10:10 by Trips

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I personally say that, with the current ranges what they are it gives an inaccurate representation of the true value of hats. The reason being for this is as follows, if we take the white trade listed above,

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Sold a White Phat to "Mr Alaska" for 1400M + Red phat (mid red range 3195m)

= 4595m (confirm)


This red mid range of 3195 skews the value of the trade to a much higher value. Most people understand this. Red is currently trading 2850-2950 (not an official range) This would then drop the real price by 300m! yes 300m. and be about 4300m not 4600m. This is just something that the people posting prices will have to figure out because currently the prices being given are not a true and accurate representation. They are true in the sense that they are following the middle of the range rule, false when it comes to an accurate representation. The prices when they include another hat since all ranges are skewed therefore makes it higher.


This is my opinion on the matter. Feel free to discuss :) I may be wrong to think this but it's only an opinion.



Figure this is a better section I posted this in the item discussion thread. Wideoldman said he would bring it up also.

Reading back a few pages, I think that this is already being discussed.

I'll give my 2 cents on why I don't report my trades all the time. There is sometimes a lot of effort to track down someone that you buy from and ask them to confirm. Actually getting into the FC is sometimes a pain. Then there is just the actually having to go to the FC type out what you did and hope that the person that you sold/bought from doesn't care if they get named. Same applies with the forums. With how prices are some people do not want to be seen buying something high or selling something low. I have no idea if this could be fixed.

26-Oct-2015 21:53:32 - Last edited on 26-Oct-2015 22:16:24 by Zonks

Trips
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Honestly I take into consideration all unconfirmed trades when updating a range so its very appreciated even if you're able to report a buy or sell even if it isn't concerned. Although it holds very little weight I do try to factor the trend of trades into making new ranges. If there are many unconfirmed trades at 2600 but only 1 confirmed @2600 with others much higher I'd still try to expand the range a bit lower to account for them.

I do agree that using old ranges may skew phat sales up or down based on how old it is. I suggested in the past to always use the more recent range to determine the price of the trade but that often times would get confusing. I think ranges should be updated frequently enough so that there is at most a 5 day range for hats. The range could be updated with the most recent 10 trades (past compiling included) to help make more up to date prices.

27-Oct-2015 23:26:19

Trips
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Recent blues have been trading for 5.3-5.8b or around there. I'm not sure if this is just a state of temporary panic to cause a sudden shift in hats or not, but about a week ago they were selling at 6.1-6.6b. It's up to you to decide if you want to sell now or wait to see if they recover a bit.

29-Oct-2015 20:19:39

465798359gjk

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Trips said :
465798359gjk said :
I know you are all busy dealing with FC issues such as the range items already but here's another one for you. As far as I know, it was never the FC's official policy to reject updates from everyone on the KOS list no matter the reason for their listing. The rule was that updates were not accepted from those on the known manip list, which makes perfect sense. Even that rule seems to have disappeared from the new version of the rules. Maybe the rule changed at some point and I'm just not aware of it, but I think it could be doing the FC community a disservice to be rejecting updates that appear to be totally legit. In the case of a range trade, I would think that if the other party was a rank it would be accepted anyway. I don't know if that's the case or not, but I don't see how rejecting updates that there is no reason to believe are manip serves the purposes of the FC. Instead I think it goes against the purpose of the FC to provide the most up to date and accurate pcs. In any case, I suggest that the FC take a look at this and append/revise the written rules to reflect the FC's official policy.

Edit: Minor editorial changes


Rule is that updates aren't taken from any kos. Lurers and scammers inhumanely get their rares, so they aren't afraid to dump for prices the average person can't buy at. Most trolls and manips can't be taken seriously so why should their updates be trusted? I know there are a few cases where some kos people don't really fit into the categories and should have 'special exceptions' but it doesn't look good for the fc if we allow certain kos people to be in the fc giving updates.


But if the other party in a range trade is a R Quark rank then it counts?

03-Nov-2015 06:10:57

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