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Lee M
Oct Member 2011

Lee M

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Trips said :
The recent suggestions for ranges and conformations:

1) All trades are accepted unless the trade is between kos-kos

2) Trades from lurers, scammers, trolls, and spammers are accepted with conformation while transactions from manips are completely ignored.

3) A combination of 1 and 2.

Please give feedback on the three suggestions, thanks

Accepting range trades from any KOS is imo a silly idea. They're all KOS for a reason. I seriously don't understand why it's even being discussed to change the rules to allow KOS to give range trades.

It makes no sense, they aren't allowed to access the Fc because of them being a scammer/lurer/troll etc, but they are trusted enough to give range trades? What? Completely illogical.

Seems the Fc has gone way downhill since my inactivity.

19-Nov-2015 19:08:21

Trips
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Lee M said :

Seems the Fc has gone way downhill since my inactivity.

Part of that is because all the quiet phat traders are forced to street trade now since all hats are out of ge.

19-Nov-2015 19:21:55 - Last edited on 19-Nov-2015 19:22:15 by Trips

Trips
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Khar said :
I was added the the KOS list 2 years ago for scamming. I contacted Showtek and was told to contact an admin for the removal of my name from the list as it has been such a long time since I was added. So if any Admin see's this post, please help :) . Thanks.

Although you have indeed been out of the fc for a long time, you have not shown to improve your flaws much since being added. You still often exhibit the similar traits that led you to being added to kos in the first place.

Sorry, you are not getting taken off anytime in the near future. Pm me if you need specific details although I think you know what I mean.

19-Nov-2015 19:27:09 - Last edited on 19-Nov-2015 20:07:11 by Trips

Lee M
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Lee M

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Trips said :
Lee M said :

Seems the Fc has gone way downhill since my inactivity.

Part of that is because all the quiet phat traders are forced to street trade now since all hats are out of ge.

Yeah I've noticed all hats are out of GE. Would be nice if people could actually report trades though.

19-Nov-2015 19:40:02

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Lee M said :
Trips said :
The recent suggestions for ranges and conformations:

1) All trades are accepted unless the trade is between kos-kos

2) Trades from lurers, scammers, trolls, and spammers are accepted with conformation while transactions from manips are completely ignored.

3) A combination of 1 and 2.

Please give feedback on the three suggestions, thanks

Accepting range trades from any KOS is imo a silly idea.
They're all KOS for a reason. I seriously don't understand why it's even being discussed to change the rules to allow KOS to give range trades.

It makes no sense, they aren't allowed to access the Fc because of them being a scammer/lurer/troll etc, but they are trusted enough to give range trades? What? Completely illogical.

Seems the Fc has gone way downhill since my inactivity.

Hi Lee. Welcome back.

If I may...accepting KOS range trades is not really a change of rules. It is a current rule that KOS players are allowed to confirm a rank range trade although the rank trade without confirmation is now rejected (all players need confirmation). I have brought this up and have not yet gotten an explanation as to how this makes any sense. I don't understand how confirmation from a KOS player adds any legitimacy whatsoever to any trade. All of their other updates are rejected, so why do their range trades count at all? It appears that it's an artifact from when ranks did not need confirmation and their word was trusted that a trade with any player occurred. I think it needs to be changed ASAP for consistency purposes.

19-Nov-2015 19:46:39

Lee M
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Rank v KOS trades are fine because a trusted member of the FC is confirming their trade, thus proving the legitimacy of the trade. Anything else would be changing the rules. Other than that I believe you've misread what I have said.

Hi Utmost.

19-Nov-2015 22:10:03

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Still makes no sense. A rank is not trusted to confirm a trade on their own, so why should they be able to confirm one with someone who is on KOS? That is essentially saying, sorry we don't trust you enough to accept your trade, but if you can get someone who we don't trust at all to confirm that, we will accept it.

Under the current system ranks are not given any more trust than other players, so why should they be given that trust only when the trade is with someone on KOS and be able to negate the fact the player is on KOS? Personally I think only trades involving known manips should be rejected. There are many on KOS who are on there for reasons that have nothing to do with whether or not they are trustworthy with respect to honestly reporting their trades. IMO it goes against these statements on the front page of the pricing thread "Prices will be obtained from various players and chats, as well as prices posted on this thread. Anyone is of course welcome to post an update but please keep your prices free of manipulation" and ..."we appreciate any and all legitimate updates you wish to report either to this thread or to in-game FCs." It draws the integrity of the FC into question when prices are rejected on grounds other than their validity IMO.

P.S. - I also feel that the rules for ranks and non-ranks should be EXACTLY the same, with some minor exceptions such as being allowed in the FC even though in Old School, etc. Ranks should not be exempt from the conduct expected of non-ranks and IMO all too often that is the case, which again opens the FC up to criticism and draws its integrity into question.

19-Nov-2015 22:24:20 - Last edited on 19-Nov-2015 22:43:01 by 465798359gjk

Lee M
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Lee M

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Of course, not going to even read the rest of this post but the 1 point I read was you twisting the rule of anybody can post prices unless manip blah blah. Let's be real, everybody knows that that rule does not include people who are KOS (KICK ON SIGHT) so please cut the crap. The rule of ranks confirming trades with KOS is completely fine. They have earned at least some trust for their inputs to the FC.

Fully expecting you to come back with some stupid argument and then cry wolf saying awmg powar ab00se pls derank.

Still the same old big boy Dardaddy O.

19-Nov-2015 22:35:38

465798359gjk

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And there you go with the personal attacks you are famous for...sigh

I believe I have made a valid argument and do not think that my opinions on the matter are reason to be subjected to personal attacks and disrespect.

edit: spelling/typo

19-Nov-2015 23:05:59 - Last edited on 19-Nov-2015 23:13:51 by 465798359gjk

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