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As an aside: The issues relating to KOS players and range updates are something I have been trying to help the FC sort out for weeks now, not an issue I jumped on because Lee posted about it. I thought I was actually agreeing with Lee, but I guess that's my misunderstanding. A search of my forum posts will reveal posts about these issues on both this forum and the price forum (one earlier today before Lee's post in fact). I have also discussed these issues at length with two members of the admin team and to a lesser degree with one former admin.

The FC has been subjected to a lot of criticism relating to these matters recently and I was just trying to help.

Edit: Removed a reference to a letter that I actually never transmitted to S Z and added that I felt I was actually agreeing with Lee.

20-Nov-2015 00:22:49 - Last edited on 20-Nov-2015 01:16:28 by 465798359gjk

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2014

Trips

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Rank trades with randoms/lurer/stakers that didn't confirm caused suspicions (by non ranks!) on validity because a lot of the other parties disappear after the trade.
Ranks that get conformations with people on kos (high warped motherland etc) shows more validity to the non ranks. They at least have a way to verify if there happens to be any 'suspicious' trades.

20-Nov-2015 01:24:58 - Last edited on 20-Nov-2015 01:41:13 by Trips

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Trips said :
Rank trades with randoms/lurer/stakers that didn't confirm caused suspicions (by non ranks!) on validity because a lot of the other parties disappear after the trade.
Ranks that get conformations with people on kos (high warped motherland etc) shows more validity to the non ranks. They at least have a way to verify if there happens to be any 'suspicious' trades.

Alright, thanks Trips. I hope you can understand how it seems like a policy discrepancy to me.

20-Nov-2015 02:01:59

Rat11j

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For Rank-KOS trades, it at least requires the other person to report, which removes the fear of a rank's word being the law outright that people will complain about. I'd vote for them to be like, half way between confirmed and unconfirmed when looking at ranges. And yeah, a lot of KOS are not manips, just annoying, so when it comes to street trades I'd consider them a normal player.

As we've discussed I'm not 100% familiar with the original context for you being placed on KOS Dardad, so I can't say much to that, I do feel that the way it happened (if what I have been told is accurate, from a third party) that it shouldn't have been the case.

As for you STILL being on the KOS I think it is mostly just because you haven't let the admins have a moments peace over the months since it happened, even when the admin you take issue with was no longer around. I would vote to have you removed, as long as you can make sure you get along with the others in the FC, and mostly just stop going on about it cause your "name would be cleared" but you also wouldn't be viable to get a rank any time in the near future.

And hi Lee, good to see you back! Hope all is well. Are you planning on coming back to Quark soon or at all?

As much as I know you and Dardad don't get along, please at least try to be respectful, or just completely ignore him, thanks.

Alright, I guess we'll see how quickly I regret wading into this mess. I feel like there should be more that I should reply to but I'm sleepy so I'll just keep up with the thread now and reply as it comes up possibly. July Talk SuperFan ----
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20-Nov-2015 04:02:09

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2011

Lee M

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Hey Rat, yeah things are OK and I've been in the Fc when online the past few days, albeit quiet for the most part.

Regarding Dardad being KOS, he was given literally so many chances and opportunities to stop but he refused. He was given more chances than any other player ever would/should be. We even removed his rank so that he saw that we were being serious when we told him to stop. He continued, so we had no other choice than to add to KOS for the trouble that was being caused for many, many ranks. I've spoken to quite a few ranks over the past few months and since I left, for the most part people haven't wanted to be a part of R Quark because of the drama associated with said person.

Just watch, he'll quote this and then start some massive bs story where he claims he just wanted his name to be cleared.

Regarding range trades between KOS members, it's still something that I feel would be more harmful than helpful to the FC. As previously stated, they're KOS for a reason, yeah they're "only" KOS as a troll, but they earned their place on the KOS list for whatever they did in the past in the FC to deliberately disrupt the FC. Why would you want trolls reporting their trades? How can you trust a trade from someone who has already made it clear they don't care for the rules the FC has set in place? It baffles me that people are even talking about it. The current rule is completely fine and has served the Fc well the past year or more it's been that way.

Speaking of ranges (again) I don't see why people are still trying to constantly change how we list ranges, we have had this discussion pretty much every single month religiously for the past what, 3 years? It's all been suggested before, and it's been proven to be way less accurate than the current way we PC ranges.

20-Nov-2015 13:30:10 - Last edited on 20-Nov-2015 13:43:03 by Lee M

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Rat11j - It's not even about me at this point. It's about the climate that the FC has fostered where ranks are allowed to incite, bully and harass other players, ranks and non-ranks alike, seemingly without consequence, in the FC, the CC and on the forums. The climate where ranks are allowed to break FC rules without consequence that would land a non-rank on KOS for life.

The FC and CC need to start enforcing some type of code of conduct relating to ranks to put an end to the toxic atmosphere that exists. Ranks incite other players and when the other player responds they are placed on KOS, when it was the rank that was the proximal cause of the incident, and the response by the player was understandable under the circumstances. That was the case with me, and that is the case with numerous others as well. The days of rank immunity need to end! The days of ranks inciting players need to end! There is no reason that the same rules that apply to non-ranks shouldn't apply to ranks as well. Yes, it's about respect, something too many of your ranks don't seem to know the meaning of.

The reason I rejected Lyra's invitation to talk is because I see no end in sight to this and know that ranks would continue to bust my stones, just for the sake of busting my stones and to try to get a stir out of me, and I know that sooner or later I would probably loose my cool and be blamed once again.

The persecution of me has been endless and what has been done about it? What have I really done to deserve it? What did I do to deserve the disrespect Lee showed me above? Is that behavior befitting a rank, let alone an admin? Is that the example you want your ranks to follow? That's my issue, and it doesn't apply to only me.

I know you can't control everything your ranks say and do, but you can hold them accountable for their actions.

Sincerely,

The player formerly known as Dardad

edit: typo/spelling error

20-Nov-2015 14:15:02 - Last edited on 20-Nov-2015 17:44:02 by 465798359gjk

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Above I asked what it is that I have really done. I'll tell you what I have done. I have stood up for myself and the FC against rogue ranks. Do you think now that maybe you should have listened to me and stood behind me against Ltd, Knighted, and now Lee? It has been the failure of the FC to recognize and take actions against rogue ranks that has been the problem, not me. What you have done is shoot the messenger and dragged their body through the streets. I hope you all feel good about that...

20-Nov-2015 15:37:40

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2014

Trips

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*grabs popcorn*

20-Nov-2015 15:41:39

465798359gjk

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Trips said :
*grabs popcorn*

And ask yourself if that's a reply befitting of an admin as well.

Go ahead and label me as the enemy when your true enemy is in your midst.

Go ahead and blame me even though it's clear that your own admin was the proximal cause of this and many other personal issues.

Go ahead and blame me for the issues that I tirelessly tried to resolve.

Go ahead and ignore that you allowed your ranks to bully and harass me endlessly without consequence.

But don't wonder why I finally turned against the FC and into the enemy you created...

20-Nov-2015 16:05:07

Rat11j

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All Trips meant by that is he's gonna enjoy watching me try to deal with this instead of himself while he's busy.

I don't remember you speaking against Ltd, and I honestly compare you and Knighted far more than you and Lee. You both will speak out against these problems in the FC, get angry they aren't being dealt with exactly how you want, and then get removed after going on and on and on.

I understand your point on the KOS-Rank trades being odd to include, allowing them to be reported makes complete sense to me, it gives more transparency to ranks with their trades. And as people constantly whine and complain about ranges we have been trying to do different things just to see if we can find something that works better. We've dealt with these conversations for years, and we all agree that the system isn't the greatest currently, just the best we've been able to come up with, so I see no harm in trying different things.

Dardad, I find it difficult to believe you're not acting majorly in self interest here, I can't blame you, but as Lee said you were given many chances to stop going on and on when you were asked to. I'm not really a fan of how any of this situation had been handled.

I can think of many other reasons people have left, not a single one I've spoken to have blamed Dardad for them wanting to leave. Yes this type of situation impacts it, but I think it's the general handling and how it keeps happening.

Lee has been gone, so before making judgements on his conduct in the chat I would want to see how he acts now he's returned.

You know talking to Lyra is the only way any of this can be resolved further at this point, you know this Dardad so turning down her request makes it seem as though you just prefer pestering us. In the past little while the "persecution" has been a lot more self inflicted and self professed than is actually there.

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20-Nov-2015 16:56:40

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