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Hyles
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Hyles

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Trips said :
Will probably be two weekends from now but I'm unsure of who's hosting. Charm is relatively busy in life and Lyra is getting back home later this week, doubt either would be able to do this coming weekend.

Plus Charm said he would prefer not to do it this month if it is avoidable (a.k.a. if Lyra returns before the end of the month).

If it is held this upcoming weekend though, Sunday works best for me as well.

If it is held the weekend of the 20-21, I will not be able to attend.
~Hyles~

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may take possession of anything else to which he is justly entitled."
~Andrew Carnegie

10-Aug-2016 15:48:26

Trips
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Hyles said :
Trips said :
Will probably be two weekends from now but I'm unsure of who's hosting. Charm is relatively busy in life and Lyra is getting back home later this week, doubt either would be able to do this coming weekend.

Plus Charm said he would prefer not to do it this month if it is avoidable (a.k.a. if Lyra returns before the end of the month).

If it is held this upcoming weekend though, Sunday works best for me as well.

If it is held the weekend of the 20-21, I will not be able to attend.
I probably would miss both of the next two weekends due to irl events.

10-Aug-2016 17:31:06

Lyra
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Lyra

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Hey guys, hope you've all been having some great summers!
Apologies for falling off the grid completely, I dropped my phone in the lake during week 1 so I haven't had any means of communication at all.
It's my last night at camp tonight and I should be back in manhattan by about 2pm tomorrow. My original plan was to host a session at the normal time, but since i haven't been able to give any notice i don't know if that will work.
Will see how things go, see you all soon! Join "Pis2ols" FC for all discontinued item price checks.

02/14/15 - 08/16/15. I will not forget you.

13-Aug-2016 00:35:19

Teci

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Hello,

For those of you who don't yet know I got hacked late July and lost everything (around 10B) I've been avoiding RuneScape since then but I though I'd quickly post this to let everyone know what happened. I do not know who hacked me or how it happened as I consider myself very "safe" when it comes to these things. I have since quit RuneScape as I have no motivation to play anymore after losing all my earnings. It was nice knowing you all, I made some great friends through R/Clan Quark!

Feel free to remove my rankings for the etc and I wish R Quark a healthy future!

P.S. Umb if you see this ask Bryce for my contact info, I would like to keep in contact with you as you were a good friend :)

- Tori
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15-Aug-2016 03:45:14 - Last edited on 15-Aug-2016 03:51:25 by Teci

Charm Quark

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Hi all, I'm a bit concerned about the range making process as of late. We need to discuss to what extent, if any, we should use unconfirmed trades and other such information in making ranges. Sometimes when making ranges admins have been adamant that ranges should be made using confirmed trades only, no other information. But I've heard that green range today, and probably other ranges, were made taking into account unconfirmed trades and/or the current W2 atmosphere. There are pros and cons for both approaches, but for the sake of transparency and consistency we need to make it clear what we're doing.

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Another point of concern is that the number of trades we use to make a range seems to be largely up to the discretion of the player who initiates the range making process. Sometimes as many as 12 trades are used, and sometimes as few as 4 trades are used. Obviously this decision can affect the resulting range a lot (e.g. if more than 4 trades had been used for today's blue range, top end would be higher than 9000). Probably what's going on is we're trying to use only trades from the last few days, which could be 4 trades or could be 12 trades. But to an outsider, it looks like we're picking and choosing which trades to use to get the range we want.

I would suggest that the person who compiles trades list all recorded trades from the previous 3 (maybe 2?) days, or the 5 most recent recorded trades, whichever is more. So, e.g., if there have been 8 trades in the last 3 days, there would be 8 trades listed. If there have been 3 trades in the last 3 days, there would be 5 trades listed (2 of which are more than 3 days old). Thoughts?

15-Aug-2016 04:19:28

Trips
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I thought when 3 were outside the current range and there was and there were at least 8-10 (that could be pulled from the previous list).

I tend to not look at anything older than the most recent 10 trades and ignore what people think phats are on the streets unless there is a strong support within the list of trades itself. I think it's fine how they get compiled now. When trades are around 10 I might overlook the oldest ones depending on if they are much higher or lower than the newer ones, but for the most part just using the previous trades works just fine.

15-Aug-2016 14:12:30

Hyles
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Hyles

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One day we'll get rid of PCs for P'hats and then this will no longer be a problem.... (unfortunately the likelihood of this happening is very low, but I can at least hope and pray :P ).

But in all seriousness, making too many rules regarding the creation of ranges can be troublesome because there are times when the rules do not fit the situation. Ultimately, I think that you must just use your best discretion. Obviously the more trades that can be used, the better, but when there are 3 or 4 trades that are well out of the current range, sometimes you just have to make do with what you have.
~Hyles~

"The man who acquires the ability to take full possession of his own mind
may take possession of anything else to which he is justly entitled."
~Andrew Carnegie

16-Aug-2016 04:13:31

Charm Quark

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To clarify, what comes across as "weird" is that sometimes there are 3 new trades outside of range, but when making the new range we still look at the 10 most recent trades. Other times, we use a much smaller number of trades (e.g. 4 trades for the recent blue update). This is something that should be standardized. Maybe we should always use 10 most recent trades, maybe we should always use only "new" trades, maybe we should do something more sophisticated like i suggested above. But right now it seems like there's no rhyme or reason to how many trades we use to make new ranges, it's just the choice of whatever player starts the process. That's not a great system, imo.

16-Aug-2016 14:35:14 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2016 14:35:44 by Charm Quark

Hyles
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Hyles

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I agree to a point. When we created the most recent blue range, when I read off the prices to the CC I did include 2 more trades from the last range update. However, the trades were so old (nearly a week and a half) that we gave them little to no consideration, and therefore I did not include them in my forum post.

I agree that standardizing the number of trades would be ideal, but I just see it as becoming very problematic when the trades date back to 2+ weeks old (which is a rather common occurrence with blue and sometimes even the white range). Perhaps if we said 10 trades for purple, yellow, green, and red, but only 5 for white and blue (more is obviously better, but when necessary - i.e. when there are 3 or more trades that are well outside of the current range).
~Hyles~

"The man who acquires the ability to take full possession of his own mind
may take possession of anything else to which he is justly entitled."
~Andrew Carnegie

17-Aug-2016 00:52:16

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