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Sereg

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What does type even mean? Unless the stats changed, who cares what they call it?

In either case, it's still an item that's counterproductive, giving no offensive advantage, no defensive advantage that's not countered by a corresponding disadvantage to an unhooded teammate, and a minor puzzle solving advantage(providing puzzles still can't be hotkeyed).

What are you hoping to get from it? It's still a useless bind, as far as I'm concerned.
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07-Dec-2012 22:31:53

Swiftles

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Let me see if I got this right**** allows us to bind 10 items. Yet, the most we can wear at any onetime is 5. Dg4fun rule is none of those worn 5 shall be a hood. That means there are a remaining 5 binds that we have for other stuff. So, why should I care what other people have stored in those optional 5 bind slots?

07-Dec-2012 23:24:00

Divi
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Well thats pretty much it exactly Swiftles. My comment was meant to be sarcasm. I don't really care if Whynot binds a hood. All we are saying is not to wear them in our floors. If it is one of your binds no one cares. Just don't use it as one of your 4-5 binds in dg4fun floors.

08-Dec-2012 00:18:11

Thok
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I often see people ranging/maging in primal plate and even primal legs. Each peice of melee armour seems to reduce range attack by 8%...and for magic about 16% per peice.

08-Dec-2012 00:58:28 - Last edited on 08-Dec-2012 01:02:10 by Thok

Grotius
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^ Yep, that bugs me. The added accuracy bonus from using the correct spell when maging is completely lost because of the primal plate I wear, leaving only the bonus from using the style. It's less harsh on range, and it's easier since all range-weak monsters are also by default arrow-weak, but there's still a penalty.

If hood is indeed 'all', meaning it doesn't give negative offensive modifiers to any style, it could be very viable. Hood also delays potential stat reducing effects and/or stuns, meaning the freedom ability could be replaced with anticipation on the action bar, which has more use overall; and of course it means that they'll have at least one less move to lower stats, possible several less moves, and meanwhile of course we'll be stuffing them with arrows with rapid fire :)

But yeah, if all of that is enough to offset the negative sides of hood use, I'm far from certain. I really want to test it (still assuming 'all' style) but I simply won't have time to do so soon lol, and I don't even have one bound. Hoping to post about first results, err... Monday or Tuesday, maybe? lol :p

@Sereg,
I really like you and think it's awesome that you *till participate in this thread, but I would appreciate if you spoke a bit less matter-of-factly about some dg-related things. No offense, but a ton has changed, and your knowledge is simply outdated sometimes. It's been bugging me for a while now lol :|

08-Dec-2012 01:20:37

Kio Tori

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I dont keep freedom on my action bar anyway because so far in the 3 large floors I've done I havent been bound once, and also I keep the defence ability tab open at all times. Since I'm just ranging with a hex I have no need for food or item changing.. so theres no point having my inventory active. Lets me throw more offensive abilities onto my action bar whilst still having freedom, anticipation, rejuvination, that one that heals me instead of taking damage just a click away. It all works very nicely tbh.

Can keep myself at full adrenaline at all times, excluding skill doors of course, so I can use threasholds constantly and if I do get my stats drain, which has only happened once, I can use rejuvination to restore them.

08-Dec-2012 14:22:10 - Last edited on 08-Dec-2012 14:25:09 by Kio Tori

Grotius
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^ You pretty much need to keep your inventory open or you won't be able to switch styles effectively, lol.

I personally don't use healing abilities, or for that matter any form of healing other than soul split if I feel like I have excess prayer, so I'm not familiar with using those. I don't use them, and I already feel like I'm short on action bar space, so I can only imagine what it's like for those who insist putting them on their action bars.

(A few people have recently asked me about my action bars and it seems relevant on this topic as well so I'm just going to expand on them)

Currently I'm working with three action bars, I'm going to work on a fourth with additional mage options (~2 slots) and boss stuff (~7 slots) once I feel like I'm done optimising the first three and sufficiently familiar with other stuff.

Currently the three I'm working with all have freedom on the Q key, create pgs on Z, pgt on C and gt on V. The other slots are as follows:

-- Melee
Basics: A slice; S cleave; D smash; F sever
Thresholds: E slaughter; R assault; T hurricane
Ultimate: W berserk

-- Range
Basics: A piercing shot; S ricochet; D fragmentation shot
Thresholds: E snap shot; R rapid fire; T bombardment
Ultimate: W deadshot
Other: F anguish

-- Mage
Basics: A wrack; S chain; D dragon breath
Threshold: F asphyxiate
Spells: W air surge; E water surge; R earth surge; T fire surge

There's still a lot to work on but this gives a good basis, and currently works best for me. Always looking for ways to improve though :p

08-Dec-2012 14:48:47

Sereg

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My perspective is still related to my knowledge of the game as it was in early 2012, so for anything beyond that, my perspective is not fully formed, and I have no intention of speaking authoritatively on it, so I apologize if I've come across that way. My post was intended as a question, with the hope that I would recieve an answer that clarifies my confusion. That has yet to happen.

What I gather is that you're most worried about the negative penalties from the hood, because you use multiple combat styles. However, if I'm reading correctly, you also stated that you use magic while wearing a plate, which presumably has an even larger disadvantage, or at least a similar one. Perhaps this implies a higher innate value to the plate then the hood(which has always been the case anyway, at least as far as you and I were concerned) which makes the plate worth wearing despite the penalties while the hood is not.

Oddly, it also implies that the hood would somehow become worth wearing without those penalties, and that's the point I'm confused on. It was my understanding that your position has always been that the hood is a selfish bind, and one that's not worthwhile even in rush floors, and before there were ever penalties to attack styles(ignoring the minimal melee accuracy penalty); to say nothing of KABDE floors.

Now, while I realize you're not planning on using it in a KABDE floor, it appears that you have reconsidered your opinion of the hood in more standard floors. What I'm asking is why? The removal of a penalty that never even existed before, for a use that has always been considered rather worthless, does not seem to be enough to justify a change of perspective. Perhaps you have further information that I'm not aware of, as you've implied in your post - I'm well aware that my knowledge is far out of date - but if this is the case, I'm requesting that you share that information so I can understand your desire to test the hood at all.

Thanks.
Carve our dreams in sanguine stone/Strength corporeal and of mind
Walls of our flesh, bricks of our bone/Deadly intent to defend our kind

08-Dec-2012 19:08:51 - Last edited on 08-Dec-2012 19:10:31 by Sereg

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