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Bresmine
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Naruto,

Despite the restrictions and, uh... derailment >.> I can definitely understand both sides to the argument, but I sympathize with your situation and hope that you can get in contact with this guy or get the help that is needed as quickly as possible.

If there is ever anything that I can do to help in the meantime, do not hesitate to reach out to me in game. Even if that means just someone listening to you rant about it. :)
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19-Dec-2015 20:41:24

Scret
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I would just start a new clan in this case, the longer you leave it the worse it will become, no its not easy but then nothing ever worth achieving is.
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21-Dec-2015 09:09:20

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By Jagex's definition, he is officially active.

Given that he has not left (meaning he has not given up on leading/owning the clan), he really can't be forced out of his own clan and thrown outside of it, regardless of how unsuitable he may be to lead it, because it's still a clan he (willingly) owns. Understandably, there is nothing Jagex can do about the issue, as it is a case of internal clan politics which they are unable to interfere in and take action.

The matter is internal clan politics; in this case, being all of the members of the clan disagreeing with/disapproving of the way the owner leads the clan and his suitability for that role and position. In the case where the clan members are not content with and disagree with the way the clan is led and run, as in any such case, the default action is to leave the clan.

Unfortunately, apart from somehow successfully negotiating a transfer of ownership, this is the only solution. Leave and start your own clan.

Believe me, no matter how complicated it can be (and it can't be that complicated), it's well worth starting over and rebuilding together with your members knowing you are at ease of mind and in full control of your fate in a much happier and healthier positive and motivated environment.

This is something I've experienced to some extent with members who came over from clans where they were extremely hesitant and struggling to leave due to similar issues. After they finally make that seemingly tough and complicated decision to leave, they only end up being much happier and relaxed in their new home and only look back regrettably at how much time they'd wasted (and wish they'd acted earlier) by needlessly holding themselves as prisoners.
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21-Dec-2015 13:19:52 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2015 13:55:58 by Electric

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If you still want and wish to stay, fair enough, but by doing so you are automatically agreeing to the way the owner (inactively, in your case) leads the clan and as such aren't entitled and do not have the right to express discontent.

He is essentially unfairly benefitting from the pleasure of a fully healthy and active clan when he is the opposite, so it would be best to leave it to die with him as an accurate reflection and fair result of his leadership state - what otherwise (without your own and others' efforts for the clan) would and should've inevitably been the outcome.

Once you click that button to leave, there is no looking back and only positively and freely looking and moving forward.

Good luck. :)
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21-Dec-2015 13:36:39 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2015 13:49:45 by Electric

Dave Mercer
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Remember that owner had build that clan in the first place... It seems quiet disrespectful that you want to replace... If there are other deputies this isn't so much of a problem. Although I see your point. If you really want to make a difference set up a new clan. If you really have the incentive of perhaps owning I'm sure going through the trouble will be worth it.

Otherwise I guess you will be stuck in your constant loop. After all the owner is the owner... How can he not meet requirements when the owner sets the requirements.
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21-Dec-2015 19:18:11

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Dave Mercer said :
Remember that owner had build that clan in the first place... It seems quiet disrespectful that you want to replace... If there are other deputies this isn't so much of a problem. Although I see your point. If you really want to make a difference set up a new clan. If you really have the incentive of perhaps owning I'm sure going through the trouble will be worth it.

Otherwise I guess you will be stuck in your constant loop. After all the owner is the owner... How can he not meet requirements when the owner sets the requirements.

If you read the thread you'd know that their current owner did not found the clan or was the original owner.
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24-Dec-2015 13:56:19 - Last edited on 24-Dec-2015 13:58:24 by Severn

Krisi
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Dave Mercer said :
Remember that owner had build that clan in the first place... It seems quiet disrespectful that you want to replace... If there are other deputies this isn't so much of a problem. Although I see your point. If you really want to make a difference set up a new clan. If you really have the incentive of perhaps owning I'm sure going through the trouble will be worth it.

Otherwise I guess you will be stuck in your constant loop. After all the owner is the owner... How can he not meet requirements when the owner sets the requirements.

I use to agree with this, till recently, end of the day I think a clan is about the people, not a person who came up with the concept. If the person moves onto fulltime real world with little contact, i think its only fair that the large group of people should be allowed to continue and build with active leadership.

Ive recently watched a leader disband a clan cause he was to busy real life even though there was ample people who wanted to take over. People get to caught up in "its all about me" rather than its all about the people in my clan.

I love the idea of how you can help Matthe :) I think that it will make the person probably ask themselves are they doing the right thing.
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24-Dec-2015 22:39:37

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That's quite a good point above me. Yes, having an autocractic leader is probably the only way to run a stable clan with the administration side of things, but without the people following you you're not a leader of anything.

Certainly give him every reasonable chance to do the right thing, but if it's not gonna happen then it's not gonna happen and you have to look out for the majority.

It's my opinion you shouldn't have divine right over other people no matter how much work you may have done. Yes it may sound worrying that people should be able to come together and oust you but if the majority of a clan want that then you've obviously not done a very good job :P

27-Dec-2015 16:54:07

Dave Mercer
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There are many leadership styles that work other than autocratic. Although just because a gold key isn't online so often doesn't harm the clan in almost any way. A silver key rank can pretty much do anything the gold key can do. Therefore it is not soo much of an impact.
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28-Dec-2015 03:09:15

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