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Sani btw
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Jamo said :
Sani btw said :
Jamo said :
Also agree with a comment made on the spreadsheet about the Telos tiebreaker being loot, it's a nice idea but if I lost because somebody was luckier I'd be rather disappointed and don't think it's fair. Perhaps then doing a 1v1 highest enrage streak, or a 1v1 fastest Telos kill 100%+ enrage. Perhaps give them 2-3 days MAX to submit that new clip.
Pointed this out quite a long time ago. You can't base a competition on something so RNG based. It's just not-done.

Suggestions, feedback etc would be of more help.
Lol. I've given plenty of suggestions, but just repeating what I say over and over again isn't something that I'm going to do.

Also; wasn't I providing him with feedback by explaining why it's not-done??


It's all fine that everyone is setting up how the cup works, but the first vital steps haven't even been taken yet: we have no clue if there is Jmod support, we have no clue who are the actual organizers, we have no set dates etc etc etc.

23-Jul-2016 17:53:00 - Last edited on 23-Jul-2016 17:54:27 by Sani btw

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@Sani - page 15, post 5 :P

Sani btw said :
It's all fine that everyone is setting up how the cup works, but the first vital steps haven't even been taken yet: we have no clue if there is Jmod support, we have no clue who are the actual organizers, we have no set dates etc etc etc.
Agreed we need to establish these, but atm we're waiting on Matt and in the meantime we can also discuss other stoof :P -
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23-Jul-2016 19:22:50 - Last edited on 23-Jul-2016 19:27:02 by Calm Enigma

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I think quite a few of us have been waiting on Mod Matthe to create the thread to set up organizers. However, I do feel we need to make a plan B if he does not. Moreover, do we continue if he doesn't?
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23-Jul-2016 21:36:43

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Sani btw said :
Jamo said :
Also agree with a comment made on the spreadsheet about the Telos tiebreaker being loot, it's a nice idea but if I lost because somebody was luckier I'd be rather disappointed and don't think it's fair. Perhaps then doing a 1v1 highest enrage streak, or a 1v1 fastest Telos kill 100%+ enrage. Perhaps give them 2-3 days MAX to submit that new clip.
Pointed this out quite a long time ago. You can't base a competition on something so RNG based. It's just not-done.
Just so it's entirely clear to everyone, this is how the tiebreaker for Telos works (there seems to be some kind of confusion here):
1. If 2 players (Player A & Player B) reach the same killstreak, their highest enrage complete is then taken into account.
2. If Player A's enrage % matches Player B's then (and only then) would the loot be analyzed. to break the tie.

Let me point this out, the chances that the highest enrage completed and killstreak being exactly the same between two players is incredibly unlikely (due to enrage % rolled being semi-random), and as such the second tiebreaker would likely never be used.

I see that someone suggested to just leave it as a tie, but that would actually cause larger problems when evaluating an overall winner if there are ties for points:

Hopalong said :
1. Find the two clans that are tied, and count how many top 5 finishes they have for each of the weeks.
2. If the above is the same between each clan then count the amount of top 3 finishes.
3. If the above is the same between each clan then count the amount of first place finishes.
4. The clan with the least amount of top 5/3/1 finishes is then placed lower than the clan with more.

Also giving a clan an extra 2 points/reducing the amount of points they earned by 2 points has a huge impact on the competition as a whole. Leader of the Slayer Nest . Join us today!

23-Jul-2016 22:28:48

Hopalong
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Doing a "bonus time" 1v1 is an interesting idea, and could work out if we put that challenge at week 4 instead of week 2 (that way they don't have to be completing another challenge at the same time). I'll give it some thought. Leaning towards this as a replacement for sure.

GEE0H said :
I think quite a few of us have been waiting on Mod Matthe to create the thread to set up organizers. However, I do feel we need to make a plan B if he does not. Moreover, do we continue if he doesn't?
Plan B (assumes we still have JaGeX support) should be to continue on, everyone helps flesh out each cup. Everyone helps organize each cup.

If JaGeX or a JMod do not contact us by ~August 15 about whether or not they like the format/whatever, I'd suggest we scrap it and call it a year.

The trigger for more work to happen is another JMod confirming they're still interested basically. Leader of the Slayer Nest . Join us today!

23-Jul-2016 22:29:04 - Last edited on 23-Jul-2016 22:33:43 by Hopalong

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Hopalong said :
Doing a "bonus time" 1v1 is an interesting idea, and could work out if we put that challenge at week 4 instead of week 2 (that way they don't have to be completing another challenge at the same time). I'll give it some thought. Leaning towards this as a replacement for sure.

Only other option I think is say if two teams tied, give them both winning points and if they end on same points and the end of the competition have a tie-breaker there, rather than a tie breaker for every week, so basically a week 5 with one of the other challenges discussed before. •
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24-Jul-2016 01:34:21

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Jamo said :
Hopalong said :
Doing a "bonus time" 1v1 is an interesting idea, and could work out if we put that challenge at week 4 instead of week 2 (that way they don't have to be completing another challenge at the same time). I'll give it some thought. Leaning towards this as a replacement for sure.

Only other option I think is say if two teams tied, give them both winning points and if they end on same points and the end of the competition have a tie-breaker there, rather than a tie breaker for every week, so basically a week 5 with one of the other challenges discussed before.

^^ this
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24-Jul-2016 03:30:13

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Should add no veteran and starfury capes. Everyone should have an equal opportunity to obtain the best gear, with starfury capes being a discontinued Treasure Hunter reward and veteran capes being time based, not everyone has the same opportunity to prepare for the Cup.
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