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Sani btw
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GEE0H said :
That's why max of 3 vids per clan. And yes, we can get rid of rots and put in

Also, as for vids being long... There is a time limit for yt lol.
You can upload vids that are longer than 15 minutes by verifying your YouTube account. As explained here: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/71673?hl=en&ref_topic=2888648

14-Jul-2016 13:50:12

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Calm Enigma said :
I was thinking they'd upload to YT and send us the link for submission. Also saves us a bunch of risk from having to download vids.

Regarding Telos, I can imagine kill streaks lasting up to 10 hours or so. Even if sped up, it would still be too long =\

Surely it would be better for them to just submit a video with the loot interface & enrage. Basically you won't see any of the kill but just the loot & enrage. If that doesn't work perhaps just have them upload the full video and add time stamps into the description, to direct us to the end of the fight.

Besides that, I can't think of anything else - sorry. •
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14-Jul-2016 16:55:00

Hopalong
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Sorry for late responses, have been a little busy! As some of you noticed I edited the document again down to 4 weeks and added in some other rules (namely planted feet being banned). Let me know what you think: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Mgu0cuIUMu7mplZJqLOl_zsW0s1bT4K1CzlugfOEYFw/edit?usp=sharing. I'll be adding a few more comments throughout the day where I think things are questionable/need more explanation.

Sani btw said :
GEE0H said :
Then I am confused on where to go from here. Maybe we should give everyone a heads up the weekend before we do telos week so they can get 100% enrage? Reason I say this is because the % of enrage is pretty RNG based so it could take someone 5-6 kills and the next person 8-10. I know this is a bad example, but I think maybe we should do this.

Normally like skilling, the skill of the week is kept quiet until the start of the competition.
Mhm. Sending out a few hints that players will need to have a timer in their Telos kills (thus 100%) in order to qualify, seems good to me? The timer is really the only way to confirm ones kill time sadly.
@hinting 100% Telos - Yea we can do this. Also, we could totally just not say anything and then everyone would in theory be on a level playing field (except the people in this this discussion). I honestly don't mind it either way because I'd think the people that are able to speedkill Telos at 100% enrage wouldn't mind getting up to 100% during the week.
@Timer - Originally I was planning on doing it the way you suggested GeeOh, but then my deputy pointed out that the timer is one of the best ways to at least judge when the boss has spawned and when it's gone down. Also this cuts out a decent amount of time from the amount of work the Organizer would have to do. Leader of the Slayer Nest . Join us today!

14-Jul-2016 21:22:25 - Last edited on 14-Jul-2016 21:56:18 by Hopalong

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GEE0H said :
Week 1: Fastest solo Araxxor kill -- Average of Top 5 fastest in clan.
Week 2: Fastest ROTS kill -- 2 groups per clan with 2 submissions each, and we average the kill times?
Week 3: Telos Killstreak -- Highest average Killstreak - 3 players per clan. I do like the highest enrage tiebreaker.
Week 4: 5 Man Vorago -- 2 groups per clan with 2 submissions each, and avearge the kill times? (Also, we could rearrange these 4 bosses in any rotation basing on whatever rotation of Vorago is the easiest [i think team split] and have Vorago during that specific week.)
Correct, this is how I envisioned the challenges to be evaluated (average kill times mainly). We could make control it to the easiest Vorago setup, but I wouldn't worry too much about that as starting the Cup alongside the others is more important IMHO. Ultimately up to the organizers to decide this.
Also as far as the 1 week 1 challenge thing goes, I'm still not sold on that being the better way of doing this, but I guess it's up to everyone really. I would think more challenges per week (granted I'm not overloading the weeks) would provide an interesting dynamic that hasn't been seen in the Cup before. IE just because you're the best at killing araxxor this one week doesn't mean you necessarily win that week as the other challenge balances it out. That's just my take (and my deputy's) on it. If we absolutely had to take out some so it was 1 challenge per week these would be the ones I would keep:

1. Fastest Average 100% Enraged Telos Kill - 5 players.
2. Fastest Average Duo Araxxor - 3 duo groups.
3. Fastest Average ROTS Kill - 2 groups.
4. Fastest Average 5-Man Vorago - 2 groups.

I feel like all 4 test something different from all the players, and are relatively easy to evaluate. Leader of the Slayer Nest . Join us today!

14-Jul-2016 21:22:30 - Last edited on 14-Jul-2016 21:54:50 by Hopalong

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Calm Enigma said :
I was thinking they'd upload to YT and send us the link for submission. Also saves us a bunch of risk from having to download vids.

Regarding Telos, I can imagine kill streaks lasting up to 10 hours or so. Even if sped up, it would still be too long =\
Yes it would but I don't see another way of evaluating this. Also twitch streams are good to evaluate from IMHO. Open to suggestions.
Jamo said :
Surely it would be better for them to just submit a video with the loot interface & enrage. Basically you won't see any of the kill but just the loot & enrage. If that doesn't work perhaps just have them upload the full video and add time stamps into the description, to direct us to the end of the fight.

Besides that, I can't think of anything else - sorry.
Regarding telos killstreaks, is it possible to go to the bank anytime/deposit items without it removing your killstreak (I've still not bothered killing Telos ATM)? I imagine that you can Yak things from your inventory back, which would make this super sketchy but if for some reason you can't we're in business. Leader of the Slayer Nest . Join us today!

14-Jul-2016 21:22:35 - Last edited on 14-Jul-2016 21:54:29 by Hopalong

Sani btw
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Banning Planted Feet is a very bad thing imo. Literally every PvMer uses it. It's not bug-abusing either...

It's the key to efficient and ultimately 'proper' kills.

Loot at Telos should also not be a tiebreaker, that's absurd. It's either based on enrage or killstreak. If it then still is a tie, so be it.

I also feel like ROTS is a rather odd choice when you have the opportunity to include Yaka. Yakamaru wasn't in the previous PvM cup.

14-Jul-2016 22:41:00 - Last edited on 14-Jul-2016 22:48:02 by Sani btw

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I get that you want the cup to be accessable for more people, but it's a cup for a reason. Not everyone that has a wand should be able to get it.

I honestly think that the cup needs to be way more of a challenge, as have I thought in all of the previous years.

14-Jul-2016 22:49:15

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Sani btw said :
I get that you want the cup to be accessable for more people, but it's a cup for a reason. Not everyone that has a wand should be able to get it.

I honestly think that the cup needs to be way more of a challenge, as have I thought in all of the previous years.

We need it to be accessible for even the layman pvmer because that's what brings clans into the cup. If we were to bring in the challenges you brought up earlier, a lot of clans won't even bother with the cup because it favours only the elite pvmers.

As for "planted feet", I do admit that I do not know much about this because I'm that very noob PvMer. I asked a friend what it was and it doesn't sound like a "break the system" type item like Majorrat aura, but then again, I could be wrong.

I do agree to a point with Sani on the telos killstreak tiebreaker. If it's a tie after killstreak & enrage, then we should just let it be and award them the same amount of points. This works because I believe we are using your leaderboard type scoring (@hopalong).

As for Yaka vs ROTS, to me this is a toss-up and to let the cup organizers to decide. I would certainly include both if we decide to do the 2 challenges per week as indicated by Hopalong. Due to the amount of mechanics, I would like to see either raids boss involved, Beastmaster or Yaka in some way. Maybe we can do both if we can get away with the 2 challenges per week and reformat it as such.

My idea for above... if we were to have 2 challenges per week, maybe 1 solo boss and 1 group boss challenge each week? Tell me what you guys think.
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15-Jul-2016 00:41:36

Hopalong
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Sani btw said :
Banning Planted Feet is a very bad thing imo. Literally every PvMer uses it. It's not bug-abusing either...

It's the key to efficient and ultimately 'proper' kills.
I mean it is a bug though? Like in every sense of the word. The intent of it is to reduce boost from Zerk/Sun/DS by 20% but increase duration by 25%. Switching weapons removes the 20% reduction but the Ultimate retains the 25% extra duration. That's clearly a bug IMHO and shouldn't be used as it's technically bug abuse. If it's used as intended I have no issue, but I know every top tier PVMer will switch off of the weapon, thus abusing the bug. If efficiency/proper kills requires that I'd rather that not be allowed in the competition (this is part of why the Combined Cup was removed BTW). If it gets "fixed" or the description gets updated I'd remove that clause, but I think it is prudent to ban it as is for now. Also I wouldn't DQ anyone for using it, just void their attempt. Just my take on it though.
Sani btw said :
Loot at Telos should also not be a tiebreaker, that's absurd. It's either based on enrage or killstreak. If it then still is a tie, so be it.
The enrage should be the tiebreaker, then after that if needed have it be the loot.
Sani btw said :
I also feel like ROTS is a rather odd choice when you have the opportunity to include Yaka. Yakamaru wasn't in the previous PvM cup.
The only problem I would have with this is how many clan have at least 2 full teams that can handle doing Yakamaru? Maybe the top tier PVM clans, but I don't want the competition to be only for them. So the only other option would be to base it off 1 team, and I'm pretty hesitant to do that. Also it's hard enough to deal with 5 people, the more people added to each team, the more time the organizers will have to spend checking everything. Open to adding it though. Leader of the Slayer Nest . Join us today!

15-Jul-2016 07:00:27 - Last edited on 15-Jul-2016 07:18:00 by Hopalong

Hopalong
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GEE0H said :
Sani btw said :
I get that you want the cup to be accessable for more people, but it's a cup for a reason. Not everyone that has a wand should be able to get it.

I honestly think that the cup needs to be way more of a challenge, as have I thought in all of the previous years.
We need it to be accessible for even the layman pvmer because that's what brings clans into the cup. If we were to bring in the challenges you brought up earlier, a lot of clans won't even bother with the cup because it favours only the elite pvmers.
Exactly, the Cup is about celebrating Clans in general and offering a challenge to the players to see how well they stack up against other clans. It's not so much about the challenge or the results, as it is the competition and bringing a bunch of clans together to do something pretty fun. That's my view at least. Leader of the Slayer Nest . Join us today!

15-Jul-2016 07:16:17 - Last edited on 15-Jul-2016 07:20:28 by Hopalong

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