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Mod Matthe
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Just a head up - after some internal discussions we are looking at making changes to this system
A nice touch. I like and support the planned changes.
Mod Matthe said :
access to the CLF is a privilege and like any forum sanctions CLF removal means that using another alt account to circumvent the sanction is not allowed.
That's an interesting piece of new information to me. I thought that according to the latest changes to the Ban Policy effective March 2015, if your non-exclusive, non-transferable, personal, limited licensed account was banned, Jagex gave the user the opportunity to start fresh with a new account. This being Jagex's idea of a second chance. I mean I get the whole thing of special rules for special forums. But it makes me wonder if this also applies after someone pays Jagex the £10.00 requesting their personally identifiable information be removed from Jagex's records according to the Data Protection Policy effective November 2015. Then again this probably falls under Section 7 of the Terms & Conditions which says Jagex reserves the right to take whatever action they feel is appropriate because they can.
Mod Matthe said :
This has already been discussed multiple times by the CLF, not least because one of those banned has continued to attempt to have their ban overturned.
Imho I wish people were more forgiving because this is just a game. We get the same thing when people get banned from Clans. I understand the whole thing of keeping the undesirables out, but most people mature with time. And given admonishment, most learn from their past mistakes. #JustSaying
Going to bed... see this is what happens when I stay up all night... blocks of text of nonsense. Merry Xmas Everyone! Lol
Just a head up - after some internal discussions we are looking at making changes to this system
A nice touch. I like and support the planned changes.
Mod Matthe said :
access to the CLF is a privilege and like any forum sanctions CLF removal means that using another alt account to circumvent the sanction is not allowed.
That's an interesting piece of new information to me. I thought that according to the latest changes to the Ban Policy effective March 2015, if your non-exclusive, non-transferable, personal, limited licensed account was banned, Jagex gave the user the opportunity to start fresh with a new account. This being Jagex's idea of a second chance. I mean I get the whole thing of special rules for special forums. But it makes me wonder if this also applies after someone pays Jagex the £10.00 requesting their personally identifiable information be removed from Jagex's records according to the Data Protection Policy effective November 2015. Then again this probably falls under Section 7 of the Terms & Conditions which says Jagex reserves the right to take whatever action they feel is appropriate because they can.
Mod Matthe said :
This has already been discussed multiple times by the CLF, not least because one of those banned has continued to attempt to have their ban overturned.
Imho I wish people were more forgiving because this is just a game. We get the same thing when people get banned from Clans. I understand the whole thing of keeping the undesirables out, but most people mature with time. And given admonishment, most learn from their past mistakes. #JustSaying
Going to bed... see this is what happens when I stay up all night... blocks of text of nonsense. Merry Xmas Everyone! Lol
18-Dec-2015 11:49:26
DrBrokenBow
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As Lisaa and Pescao have stated, one of the things about CLF is that it's not considered circumventing the rules if they created an alternate account and requested access, so why can each individual banned not receive one warning and be reinstated?
Lol don't throw me under the bus like that. I kinda get the feeling Jagex interprets their rules however they want. At best we're left with the option to mail a complaint when rants are ignored, but Matthe already stated this isn't open for discussion. I'm just saying I wasn't aware of this CLF policy Matthe mentioned before today. And I've been here a looong time. But I don't know... Jagex seems to be changing their rules more often than usual which they can whenever they want to.
Anyway, if I learned anything from my latest interaction with Jagex is that according to the new Data Protection Policy effective November 2015, Jagex refrains from discussing other user's accounts with other players. So even if we feel that other people should be unbanned, that's apparently something between Jagex and the people who were banned.
But yeah I feel you... I kinda wish they were more forgiving too.
As Lisaa and Pescao have stated, one of the things about CLF is that it's not considered circumventing the rules if they created an alternate account and requested access, so why can each individual banned not receive one warning and be reinstated?
Lol don't throw me under the bus like that. I kinda get the feeling Jagex interprets their rules however they want. At best we're left with the option to mail a complaint when rants are ignored, but Matthe already stated this isn't open for discussion. I'm just saying I wasn't aware of this CLF policy Matthe mentioned before today. And I've been here a looong time. But I don't know... Jagex seems to be changing their rules more often than usual which they can whenever they want to.
Anyway, if I learned anything from my latest interaction with Jagex is that according to the new Data Protection Policy effective November 2015, Jagex refrains from discussing other user's accounts with other players. So even if we feel that other people should be unbanned, that's apparently something between Jagex and the people who were banned.
But yeah I feel you... I kinda wish they were more forgiving too.
18-Dec-2015 12:09:25
Pescao6
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Mod Matthe said :
access to the CLF is a privilege and like any forum sanctions CLF removal means that using another alt account to circumvent the sanction is not allowed.
That's an interesting piece of new information to me. I thought that according to the latest changes to the Ban Policy effective March 2015, if your non-exclusive, non-transferable, personal, limited licensed account was banned, Jagex gave the user the opportunity to start fresh with a new account. This being Jagex's idea of a second chance. I mean I get the whole thing of special rules for special forums. But it makes me wonder if this also applies after someone pays Jagex the £10.00 requesting their personally identifiable information be removed from Jagex's records according to the Data Protection Policy effective November 2015. Then again this probably falls under Section 7 of the Terms & Conditions which says Jagex reserves the right to take whatever action they feel is appropriate because they can.
That is the case with forum bans yes - using an alternative account to bypass the sanctions on one of your accounts can result in further actions being taken against all associated accounts.
The data protection policy refers to personally identifiable information, not account identifiable information. These are not the same thing.
Pescao6 said :
Mod Matthe said :
This has already been discussed multiple times by the CLF, not least because one of those banned has continued to attempt to have their ban overturned.
Imho I wish people were more forgiving because this is just a game. We get the same thing when people get banned from Clans. I understand the whole thing of keeping the undesirables out, but most people mature with time. And given admonishment, most learn from their past mistakes. #JustSaying
A permanent ban is a permanent ban, much like it is in game. If you act in such a way as to lose those privileges permanently then it is a permanent thing. How would you feel about it in relation to botting, spamming or RWT? We consider certain types of forum behaviour, especially in cases where it is persistent despite a series of warnings, unacceptable in the same way. And that can result in a permanent ban from the whole of the forums or removal of privileged access, as in these cases. Mod MattHe | Former Community Manager, now in Events & occasional Lore Monkey
Mod Matthe said :
access to the CLF is a privilege and like any forum sanctions CLF removal means that using another alt account to circumvent the sanction is not allowed.
That's an interesting piece of new information to me. I thought that according to the latest changes to the Ban Policy effective March 2015, if your non-exclusive, non-transferable, personal, limited licensed account was banned, Jagex gave the user the opportunity to start fresh with a new account. This being Jagex's idea of a second chance. I mean I get the whole thing of special rules for special forums. But it makes me wonder if this also applies after someone pays Jagex the £10.00 requesting their personally identifiable information be removed from Jagex's records according to the Data Protection Policy effective November 2015. Then again this probably falls under Section 7 of the Terms & Conditions which says Jagex reserves the right to take whatever action they feel is appropriate because they can.
That is the case with forum bans yes - using an alternative account to bypass the sanctions on one of your accounts can result in further actions being taken against all associated accounts.
The data protection policy refers to personally identifiable information, not account identifiable information. These are not the same thing.
Pescao6 said :
Mod Matthe said :
This has already been discussed multiple times by the CLF, not least because one of those banned has continued to attempt to have their ban overturned.
Imho I wish people were more forgiving because this is just a game. We get the same thing when people get banned from Clans. I understand the whole thing of keeping the undesirables out, but most people mature with time. And given admonishment, most learn from their past mistakes. #JustSaying
A permanent ban is a permanent ban, much like it is in game. If you act in such a way as to lose those privileges permanently then it is a permanent thing. How would you feel about it in relation to botting, spamming or RWT? We consider certain types of forum behaviour, especially in cases where it is persistent despite a series of warnings, unacceptable in the same way. And that can result in a permanent ban from the whole of the forums or removal of privileged access, as in these cases. Mod MattHe | Former Community Manager, now in Events & occasional Lore Monkey
18-Dec-2015 12:18:27 - Last edited on 18-Dec-2015 12:20:10 by Mod Matthe
Pescao6
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DrBrokenBow said :
As Lisaa and Pescao have stated, one of the things about CLF is that it's not considered circumventing the rules if they created an alternate account and requested access, so why can each individual banned not receive one warning and be reinstated?
Lol don't throw me under the bus like that. I kinda get the feeling Jagex interprets their rules however they want. At best we're left with the option to mail a complaint when rants are ignored, but Matthe already stated this isn't open for discussion. I'm just saying I wasn't aware of this CLF policy Matthe mentioned before today. And I've been here a looong time. But I don't know... Jagex seems to be changing their rules more often than usual which they can whenever they want to.
Anyway, if I learned anything from my latest interaction with Jagex is that according to the new Data Protection Policy effective November 2015, Jagex refrains from discussing other user's accounts with other players. So even if we feel that other people should be unbanned, that's apparently something between Jagex and the people who were banned.
But yeah I feel you... I kinda wish they were more forgiving too.
It is not a CLF rule. It is an overall forum rule and moderation policy. Mod MattHe | Former Community Manager, now in Events & occasional Lore Monkey
DrBrokenBow said :
As Lisaa and Pescao have stated, one of the things about CLF is that it's not considered circumventing the rules if they created an alternate account and requested access, so why can each individual banned not receive one warning and be reinstated?
Lol don't throw me under the bus like that. I kinda get the feeling Jagex interprets their rules however they want. At best we're left with the option to mail a complaint when rants are ignored, but Matthe already stated this isn't open for discussion. I'm just saying I wasn't aware of this CLF policy Matthe mentioned before today. And I've been here a looong time. But I don't know... Jagex seems to be changing their rules more often than usual which they can whenever they want to.
Anyway, if I learned anything from my latest interaction with Jagex is that according to the new Data Protection Policy effective November 2015, Jagex refrains from discussing other user's accounts with other players. So even if we feel that other people should be unbanned, that's apparently something between Jagex and the people who were banned.
But yeah I feel you... I kinda wish they were more forgiving too.
It is not a CLF rule. It is an overall forum rule and moderation policy. Mod MattHe | Former Community Manager, now in Events & occasional Lore Monkey
18-Dec-2015 12:26:35
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