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Mr G W

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Mod Matthe said :
Long way to go, but a good chunk already done. :)

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Mod Maz said :
It will still remain restricted to admin+ ranks as that is required to write to clan data.

Why will this arbitrary limitation remain if the clan permission system is to be made more flexible?

Having to rank a bunch of people in the clan to admin so they can use avatar is very inconvenient, so might as well allow all ranks to write clan data...

Likewise, nothing should stop me of being able to give admin-like permissions to star ranks etc if i want to...

24-Apr-2014 17:26:46 - Last edited on 24-Apr-2014 21:50:17 by Mr G W

Thylordship
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Mr G W said :
Why will this arbitrary limitation remain if the clan permission system is to be made more flexible?

Having to rank a bunch of people in the clan to admin so they can use avatar is very inconvenient, so might as well allow all ranks to write clan data...

Likewise, nothing should stop me of being able to give admin-like permissions to star ranks etc if i want to... It's the way the engine works, nothing can be done about it.

25-Apr-2014 02:34:13

Mr G W

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Thylordship said :
It's the way the engine works, nothing can be done about it.

Question still stands: Then why was the engine made to work that way then?

If it can be made one way, it can be made another...

25-Apr-2014 03:40:05 - Last edited on 25-Apr-2014 03:40:35 by Mr G W

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I second this. I don't understand why anyone cares that the Avatars be summoned only by Admin+. Make it Recruit+. How hard is that? (It's really not.) Clan:
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25-Apr-2014 04:03:58

Thylordship
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If you go to the jmod feedback thread:
Calm Enigma said :
Allow us to make any rank an avatar warden:


29-Jan-2013 16:50:47

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Currently the engine only supports admin+ being able to write to clan data.

Therefore an avatar warden must be admin+ as it needs to store it's data somewhere on the clan.

With this restriction in place, it doesn't matter how much code I produce, I can't remove that caveat.

Changing to a checkbox rather than a rank may well be a possibility in the future (though I can't guarantee that as I haven't looked at that code for a while).

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The biggest reason I imagine is for security. And with the whole kicking problems in the past, I imagine that fear is justified.

Edit: as to changing it since we have this rework, it's been stated many times that the clan system is very intricate, complicated, and hard to change. It's probably not possible to change that part without more work than it's worth?

25-Apr-2014 06:24:09 - Last edited on 25-Apr-2014 06:27:38 by Thylordship

Mr G W

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Well since kicking  and other admin-related rights will be configurable, it seems redundant to have this hard coded restriction.

Sure, recruit-general ranks would have the possibility to change clan data if the restriction, but if the owner sets up permissions in a way they have no access to any such functions then i don't think there are any security issues.

Anyway this is a bit of speculation as i do not know the code enough to know the implications of removing that restriction...

It would be great if at least the avatar's system could be changed to allow non-admin ranks to use it

25-Apr-2014 13:12:31 - Last edited on 25-Apr-2014 13:47:31 by Mr G W

Mod Matthe

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There are a number of different chunks of code we utilise to provide the game. Some are more difficult to get development time on or have wider considerations when we look at making changes. Any limitations that are currently in place are not "arbitrary" - they will have a reason for being there.

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25-Apr-2014 14:10:19

Honeybadgerb
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Mod Maz or Matthe, would it be possible to have some sort of option to have a clan with co-owners as opposed to deputy owners? If for example, 3 people all had permissions and could not change each others permissions, this could fix a few issues.

Most notably, this would solve any issue with inactive leaders unless all co-leaders went inactive. No one person would have more power or control than the other co-leaders as there would NOT be a sole leader like there currently is. Again, this would be an option, not mandatory for all clans.

Further, there are multiple clans that create a free account and make it the leader and make the co-owners all dep owners with access to the free account. This would completely eliminate the need to do that.

Thoughts?

27-Apr-2014 17:46:34

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