RuneScape Forum Archive | Locked citadels.

Mar

2018

Scret

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I dont agree, citadel and upkeep is based on management of your clan part of that management is keeping an active and willing group of players interested in continuously doing it.

Having an option to just lock it up would be contradicting its purpose.

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14-Oct-2015 22:02:37

Nov

2011

Guardian Elf

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Scret said :
I dont agree, citadel and upkeep is based on management of your clan part of that management is keeping an active and willing group of players interested in continuously doing it.

Having an option to just lock it up would be contradicting its purpose.

Well, it's there, isn't it? If it's there, it should serve its purpose. A lock = no one gets in. Yet - the system still logs the person as a visitor.

I mean, we're all playing by the rules, right? Sure, you can have your opinion but we work with what we got and it's already minimal as far as management options go.

If the clan system were set up so it was clear that if you had no longer been able to reach upkeep and you locked the citadel and Jagex made it so that no matter what, you'll lose the citadel, then fine - we wouldn't be having this conversation now.

As it is now: it's a glitch. And it should be looked at and fixed. Pleasure in the job, puts perfection in the work.

14-Oct-2015 22:08:53 - Last edited on 14-Oct-2015 22:11:32 by Guardian Elf

Mar

2018

Scret

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Guardian Elf said :
Nah, it doesn't matter now. Besides, what you mentioned was discussed earlier and is not allowed.

Though it would be nice if Jagex could shine some light on this and perhaps we'll know A: if it's possible to fix and B: how long it would take.

You are allowed to cap on multiple accounts, just not at the same time.

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14-Oct-2015 22:09:25

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2018

Scret

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Guardian Elf said :
Scret said :
I dont agree, citadel and upkeep is based on management of your clan part of that management is keeping an active and willing group of players interested in continuously doing it.

Having an option to just lock it up would be contradicting its purpose.

Well, it's there, isn't it? If it's there, it should serve its purpose. A lock = no one gets in. Yet - the system still logs the person as a visitor.

I mean, we're all playing by the rules, right? Sure, you can have your opinion but we work with what we got and it's already minimal as far as management options go.

If the clan system were set up so it was clear that if you had no longer been able to reach upkeep and you locked the citadel and Jagex made it so that no matter what, you'll lose the citadel, then fine - we wouldn't be having this conversation now.

But the lock isnt there in order to preserve the citadel, thats not the idea behind that function.

We have upkeep costs so that we have to keep upkeeping it every week in order to maintain it, thats the point behind it anything otherwise would be a contradiction to that.

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14-Oct-2015 22:11:27

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Scret said :
Guardian Elf said :
Scret said :
I dont agree, citadel and upkeep is based on management of your clan part of that management is keeping an active and willing group of players interested in continuously doing it.

Having an option to just lock it up would be contradicting its purpose.

Well, it's there, isn't it? If it's there, it should serve its purpose. A lock = no one gets in. Yet - the system still logs the person as a visitor.

I mean, we're all playing by the rules, right? Sure, you can have your opinion but we work with what we got and it's already minimal as far as management options go.

If the clan system were set up so it was clear that if you had no longer been able to reach upkeep and you locked the citadel and Jagex made it so that no matter what, you'll lose the citadel, then fine - we wouldn't be having this conversation now.

But the lock isnt there in order to preserve the citadel, thats not the idea behind that function.

We have upkeep costs so that we have to keep upkeeping it every week in order to maintain it, thats the point behind it anything otherwise would be a contradiction to that.

Then what is the point in the lock feature/function? MrBrokenBow - Former Leader and Founder of

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14-Oct-2015 22:13:42

Mar

2018

Scret

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DrBrokenBow said :
Scret said :
Guardian Elf said :
Scret said :
I dont agree, citadel and upkeep is based on management of your clan part of that management is keeping an active and willing group of players interested in continuously doing it.

Having an option to just lock it up would be contradicting its purpose.

Well, it's there, isn't it? If it's there, it should serve its purpose. A lock = no one gets in. Yet - the system still logs the person as a visitor.

I mean, we're all playing by the rules, right? Sure, you can have your opinion but we work with what we got and it's already minimal as far as management options go.

If the clan system were set up so it was clear that if you had no longer been able to reach upkeep and you locked the citadel and Jagex made it so that no matter what, you'll lose the citadel, then fine - we wouldn't be having this conversation now.

But the lock isnt there in order to preserve the citadel, thats not the idea behind that function.

We have upkeep costs so that we have to keep upkeeping it every week in order to maintain it, thats the point behind it anything otherwise would be a contradiction to that.

Then what is the point in the lock feature/function?

To lock people out, it seems clear to me that it does it this way because that was originally a way to preserve the citadel a way to get around the system, it seems like this is something that is purposely happening?

either way its purpose isnt to allow calns to keep its tier citadel without upkeep.

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14-Oct-2015 22:17:17

Dec

2011

Archaeox

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Guardian Elf said :

Anyway, whatever is going on in my clan has nothing to do with this thread.

It has EVERYTHING to do with it.

A citadel is something that is meant to be a collaborative effort within a clan. It represents the degree to which your clan is cohesive, active and well run.

Obviously, if your clan is none of these things, the citadel WILL decline - and it should. It's not a static trophy, it's an indicator of whether or not your clan is flourishing.

If your clan isn't cohesive, active or well run, then why should the mechanic preserve the illusion that it is?

Stop talking about "the day that (you) might resurrect the clan to its former glory" and DO IT. Then you'll deserve the citadel you desire.

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14-Oct-2015 22:20:35 - Last edited on 14-Oct-2015 22:26:47 by Archaeox

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2011

Guardian Elf

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Scret, what part of a lock don't you understand?

If something is locked: no one should get in. Yet ... the clan system does register it as a visitor.

It's the same with fealty rank. You leave a clan with rank 3 fealty and join another clan 2 weeks later, you remain fealty rank 3. Simply because you capped before you left your clan and because the clan system is outdated.

Of course that is in the benefit of the player and I don't see you or anyone complaining about that. YET when there's something unclear / broken, like now (well, has been for ages) then suddenly all hell breaks loose.

It's the tools and rules that Jagex provide us. And I'm happy to abide by the rules, as it is now: it doesn't matter if the citadel upkeep should be reached if it's locked. That's not a rule that Jagex set for us. The thing is now: the tool is broken and it should be looked at and fixed.

And if they won't look at it or fix it, they should update the clan system so that even if you lock the citadel - it will get lost. It's one or the other and we can't have both broken/unclear. Pleasure in the job, puts perfection in the work.

14-Oct-2015 22:27:47

Mar

2018

Scret

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Guardian Elf said :
Scret, what part of a lock don't you understand?

If something is locked: no one should get in. Yet ... the clan system does register it as a visitor.

It's the same with fealty rank. You leave a clan with rank 3 fealty and join another clan 2 weeks later, you remain fealty rank 3. Simply because you capped before you left your clan and because the clan system is outdated.

Of course that is in the benefit of the player and I don't see you or anyone complaining about that. YET when there's something unclear / broken, like now (well, has been for ages) then suddenly all hell breaks loose.

It's the tools and rules that Jagex provide us. And I'm happy to abide by the rules, as it is now: it doesn't matter if the citadel upkeep should be reached if it's locked. That's not a rule that Jagex set for us. The thing is now: the tool is broken and it should be looked at and fixed.

And if they won't look at it or fix it, they should update the clan system so that even if you lock the citadel - it will get lost. It's one or the other and we can't have both broken/unclear.

I understand what it means and the possible flaw in the system however as previous stated its not designed to preserve a citadel but then this thread wasnt really about fixing it it was about losing a citadel tier. its your # thats thrown ppl off.

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14-Oct-2015 22:30:10 - Last edited on 14-Oct-2015 22:40:08 by Scret

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2011

Guardian Elf

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Archaeox said :
Guardian Elf said :

Anyway, whatever is going on in my clan has nothing to do with this thread.

It has EVERYTHING to do with it.

A citadel is something that is meant to be a collaborative effort within a clan. It represents the degree to which your clan is cohesive, active and well run.

Obviously, if your clan is none of these things, the citadel WILL decline - and it should. It's not a static trophy, it's an indicator of whether or not your clan is flourishing.

If your clan isn't cohesive, active or well run, then why should the mechanic preserve the illusion that it is?

Stop talking about "the day that (you) might resurrect the clan to its former glory" and DO IT. Then you'll deserve the citadel you desire.

Will you please stop derailing my thread. The thread is about the purpose of the lock, it's not specifically about my clan.

Also 'stop talking ...', really? I mentioned it once, and I haven't said it since so, you quit your act and either participate in the discussion about the lock or simply don't post.

Like I said above: the system now is setup that if NO ONE enters the citadel - nothing gets lost. (I haven't set it like that, Jagex did) The lock should keep people out, yet it doesn't.

Edit: "Then you'll deserve the citadel you desire." - what's that all about? Who said anything about what I desire besides getting the lock fixed/looked at? You're just making stuff up now, lmao. Pleasure in the job, puts perfection in the work.

14-Oct-2015 22:34:31 - Last edited on 14-Oct-2015 22:52:39 by Guardian Elf

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