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Guardian Elf
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Can't handle simple logic? Lock = broken - fix? yes/no.

That's all that what I'm talking about. Yet y'all are all talking about how the citadel SHOULD degrade if it's locked.

I don't care about whether it should or should not. Jagex set it up so if no one gets in - nothing gets lost. So if I lock my citadel for just that purpose and that lock doesn't work, I have the right to shine some light on that and put it up for discussion. Pleasure in the job, puts perfection in the work.

14-Oct-2015 22:46:51

Scret
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Guardian Elf said :
Can't handle simple logic? Lock = broken - fix? yes/no.

That's all that what I'm talking about. Yet y'all are all talking about how the citadel SHOULD degrade if it's locked.

I don't care about whether it should or should not. Jagex set it up so if no one gets in - nothing gets lost. So if I lock my citadel for just that purpose and that lock doesn't work, I have the right to shine some light on that and put it up for discussion.

Cos you stuck a hash tag on the end lol ofc people are gonna be thinking that.

And no jagex didnt set it up so nothing gets lost. that defeats the point of an upkeep.
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14-Oct-2015 22:51:00

Guardian Elf
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Well, that's the result, isn't it? Hence the hash tag. Look: my clan may be inactive though I still got enough members to reach upkeep x4, if that's what I wanted . I don't care about the citadel losing a tier, or losing the citadel entirely. THOUGH it would have been nice to preserve it.

And yes, currently it's set up if no one enters - nothing gets lost. Who can blame me for locking the citadel if the system is setup like this.\

EDIT: Also I understand what an upkeep is and if Jagex had set it up so if no one enters - citadel DOES degrade then I wouldn't have even put the hash tag in there ;-) Honestly I'm only here to talk about .. the lock and the current system. Pleasure in the job, puts perfection in the work.

14-Oct-2015 23:00:18 - Last edited on 14-Oct-2015 23:04:34 by Guardian Elf

Scret
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Guardian Elf said :
Well, that's the result, isn't it? Hence the hash tag. Look: my clan may be inactive though I still got enough members to reach upkeep x4, if that's what I wanted . I don't care about the citadel losing a tier, or losing the citadel entirely. THOUGH it would have been nice to preserve it.

And yes, currently it's set up if no one enters - nothing gets lost. Who can blame me for locking the citadel if the system is setup like this.

Whats the point in even having a weekly upkeep system if all you can do is lock it and forever preserve it?
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14-Oct-2015 23:06:35

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Scret said :
Guardian Elf said :
Well, that's the result, isn't it? Hence the hash tag. Look: my clan may be inactive though I still got enough members to reach upkeep x4, if that's what I wanted . I don't care about the citadel losing a tier, or losing the citadel entirely. THOUGH it would have been nice to preserve it.

And yes, currently it's set up if no one enters - nothing gets lost. Who can blame me for locking the citadel if the system is setup like this.

Whats the point in even having a weekly upkeep system if all you can do is lock it and forever preserve it?

In case of unforeseeable circumstances, such as suddenly losing a lot of clan members therefore being unable to keep their citadel tier.
At the end of the day, they still lose their citadel until they unlock it, so why punish them by also allowing it to degrade if someone tried to enter it. As OP has said, his clan has this issue where he feels he has to lock the citadel in case he decides to try to rejuvinate his clan in the future, so what's the issue with being able to lock a citadel - therefore denying complete access and so no experience can be gained from it - but still allowing it to degrade? MrBrokenBow - Former Leader and Founder of
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14-Oct-2015 23:28:43

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If the Citadel is locked and entry attempts is messing that up, then this is definitely a design problem (or a bug) that needs to be fixed. It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation. ~Herman Melville

14-Oct-2015 23:41:08

Scret
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DrBrokenBow said :
Scret said :
Guardian Elf said :
Well, that's the result, isn't it? Hence the hash tag. Look: my clan may be inactive though I still got enough members to reach upkeep x4, if that's what I wanted . I don't care about the citadel losing a tier, or losing the citadel entirely. THOUGH it would have been nice to preserve it.

And yes, currently it's set up if no one enters - nothing gets lost. Who can blame me for locking the citadel if the system is setup like this.

Whats the point in even having a weekly upkeep system if all you can do is lock it and forever preserve it?

In case of unforeseeable circumstances, such as suddenly losing a lot of clan members therefore being unable to keep their citadel tier.
At the end of the day, they still lose their citadel until they unlock it, so why punish them by also allowing it to degrade if someone tried to enter it. As OP has said, his clan has this issue where he feels he has to lock the citadel in case he decides to try to rejuvinate his clan in the future, so what's the issue with being able to lock a citadel - therefore denying complete access and so no experience can be gained from it - but still allowing it to degrade?

Thats all completely irrelevant and again is part of the man management of a clan (the game if you will) bottom line is meet the upkeep or your citadel will deplete regardless of ANY situation. youre reading into something that isnt there.

The locking of the citadel is NOT designed to stop your citadel from depleting as ever much as you would like it to be lol.

You seem to think someone at Jagex said "oh hey what if someone's clan suddenly loses a lot of members and cant keep upkeep, lets allow them to keep it somehow".... it never happened, its not part of the design.

If its fixed though and actually it could possibly work this way however
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14-Oct-2015 23:46:30 - Last edited on 14-Oct-2015 23:48:09 by Scret

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My lord .. this is why I lose faith in the RuneScape community. Lol.

Scret, you keep talking how it wasn't designed for this ... and that .. bla bla .. sure sure, we get it already. Upkeep is that thing you do to keep things up .. makes sense .. right? Every sensible adult would understand that. Guess what: me too! :D #twinsies

Now .. listen to me carefully now ... just take a deep breath and let it sink in

Dude..... it's in the system... no entry = no loss .

And to ENFORCE that, we got a lock :) and guess what that (is supposed to do/) does?

Yes? what's that?

IT KEEPS PEOPLE OUT! ... wow man, never thought of that! Now ...

It doesn't keep people out! - it still registers them as a visitor ...


WHY ?! you ask? well .. good thing you asked :) well my friend, it's BROKEN!


#mysterysolved :D ;)

Obligatory edit: i'm off to bed for now, have a good night :) - Jagex: keep us me & all those who understand it updated, please :) Pleasure in the job, puts perfection in the work.

14-Oct-2015 23:54:16 - Last edited on 14-Oct-2015 23:56:40 by Guardian Elf

Scret
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Guardian Elf said :
My lord .. this is why I lose faith in the RuneScape community. Lol.

Scret, you keep talking how it wasn't designed for this ... and that .. bla bla .. sure sure, we get it already. Upkeep is that thing you do to keep things up .. makes sense .. right? Every sensible adult would understand that. Guess what: me too! :D #twinsies

Now .. listen to me carefully now ... just take a deep breath and let it sink in

Dude..... it's in the system... no entry = no loss .

And to ENFORCE that, we got a lock :) and guess what that (is supposed to do/) does?

Yes? what's that?

IT KEEPS PEOPLE OUT! ... wow man, never thought of that! Now ...

It doesn't keep people out! - it still registers them as a visitor ...


WHY ?! you ask? well .. good thing you asked :) well my friend, it's BROKEN!


#mysterysolved :D ;)

Obligatory edit: i'm off to bed for now, have a good night :) - Jagex: keep us me & all those who understand it updated, please :)

I keep talking about it because you and mrbrokenbow keep mentioning it, its called a response its quite a common thing on the forums you know ;) (we can all do passive aggressive smilies too)

I never once said it doesnt keep people out or that it wasnt broken.

But as i keep having to mention locking people out isnt designed to help diminishing clans sustain their citadel tiers so if it gets fixed it needs to be made sure that its not exploited in this way.

Then maybe Jagex can keep me and all those who understand how to run a clan updated :D ;) :P

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15-Oct-2015 00:11:51 - Last edited on 15-Oct-2015 00:20:04 by Scret

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