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Esploratore
Apr Member 2006

Esploratore

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When I read about the vision some mods have for clans in the future, my heart sank. It's mind-boggling that mods can still be so very out of touch with what matters to most of us in the clan community, considering the years of feedback we've provided them.

A focus on domination may end up being the final, killing blow to the clans (and perhaps the game itself). The ones who will thrive will be the trolls and griefers who seem to live to make others miserable by dominating and preventing them from enjoying the game.

This seems to reinforce my long-held opinion that they've always wanted to eliminate small and medium-sized clans in favor of a few large ones. (While being entertained watching a clash of the titans and their bloody battles to annihilate one another. How fun.)

As far as citadels go, the instances have always been a positive aspect of them. They are our clan home. Removing our citadel and throwing us out into the world to fight for a small bit of land to call our own is a horrible idea.

27-Sep-2017 16:22:49

Ninmci

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If an item isn't broken dont try to fix it.

But if its unable tobe fixed because of ( spaghetti code ) shauny says not able to say spaghetti anymore.

My clan is Maxed T7 i never have to worry about upkeep most people in my clan enjoy working in the citadel . some skillpots get more than double resources .

As we are basically a mid level community clan we want a Community citadel

Why should a community clan have a combat community citadel .

I dont want people comming into my home to be intimidated by armed security guards .

An English mans home is his Castle true. But an english stately home made with Red english tudor brick . Is far warmer

Within 1 hours drive from Cambridge is the Village of Long Melford in town of Sudbury .

Long Melford is the Location of a well Run Elizabethan Manor House called Kentwell Hall.


Kentwell Hall Gives Me Everything I think A clan area Should be. it even boast 2 website s

http://www.kentwell.co.uk/ - http://www.schools.kentwell.co.uk/


This gives us a clan Citadel Manor that warm fealing it Has Character rooms for Theatre Dancing, Partys, Feasting, Clan History ...

Outside are large grounds with Gardens Rare Farm animals.

Has many skilling displays it even has player owned houses Outbuilding sheds Barns

Throughout the year it has festive events in the grounds with games ( circus beach party nov fest) Halloween

Bands Music

School visits for new comers,

Archer s Pikemen Ghost ?

Kentwell is a true community

and has room to develop with more skills being added .

If its not broken dont fix it but i want far more for my clan Community than a Cold broken Scotish Broch.

But my dream for clan community area is far to large to be implemented into game i just dont want citadel to be a broch in 5 years time.

27-Sep-2017 17:49:03 - Last edited on 27-Sep-2017 18:17:33 by Ninmci

Kera
Aug Member 2010

Kera

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Iron Faery said :

In my ideals I'm a lady and I'm rising this young men to be true knights.
To me it is social project that lives in their lives too, not only in game quality.

I want our clan to exist and be as we are. Our purpose is much deeper than only in game success. I don't want any stronger competition between the clans.

Our people call it virtual family. It matters to us


Esploratore said :

A focus on domination may end up being the final, killing blow to the clans (and perhaps the game itself). The ones who will thrive will be the trolls and griefers who seem to live to make others miserable by dominating and preventing them from enjoying the game.

Ninmci said :

My clan is Maxed T7 i never have to worry about upkeep most people in my clan enjoy working in the citadel . some skillpots get more than double resources .

As we are basically a mid level community clan we want a Community citadel

Why should a community clan have a combat community citadel .


I agree with everything said so far here, in particular these quotes above. Having clans try to dominate servers or skill areas will end my clan, who are friendly and peace loving. where we live in harmony with the other clans sharing our homeworld. It will be easy for a clan of trolls to throw us off the world, and probably out of the game entirely.
Kera:
Proud leader of Shattered Moon

27-Sep-2017 19:53:08

Tigergal44

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I read the extracts from J4ron about Jagex's ideas for Clans & found I have just resigned acceptance that the last thread holding many in this game is going to be shattered beyond repair. Do Jagex actually have anyone who socially plays this game in a non aggressive , mature and social way?

My Clan is a family. Those of you who know our history know we were born in fire from a very nasty divorce. For a few years we fought tooth and nail for our right to exist, we fought for control of stars (of all things !) and the right to control them in our world. Where you have competition for servers, worlds, skill plots there is aggression, the toxic player base flocks to the scene, there is bullying, harassment that extents beyond Runescape ( and in our case bullying by Jmods), there is hate. Yes there is adrenaline, bonding over a common cause , motivation but there is also Clan instability, great member turn over, the toxic environment created in fighting for your space invades the Clan environment. Most important it is not sustainable for an extended period of time. You can poo-hoo what I say and know better but I have lived a version of what Jagex are proposing & never ever want to go back there.

These days we are at peace and a Clan cup was the extend of our fighting. We are a tight knit family but think of us as a grown up family. We don't get together enmass. We have a home world but not everyone is on it, groups maybe Bossing, pvm or chilling skilling, maybe with Clannies, friend groups or combinations. We all have different priorities are doing different things but talk and help each other without needing to be beside each other. We have not actively recruited since I took over leadership, and yet we are stable, a few go and a few come. I think of us as a grown up family that come together for special events but other than that talk and are there for each other.

Don't force us to regress to a teenage family fighting to hold the right to be in rs

27-Sep-2017 22:01:08

Tigergal44

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Declaring interest I was our Citadel manager from about month 2 of the build until completion.

The Citadel has since their conception been the central focal area of my Clan. We were there on week one building. The building was months & months of blood sweat and tears (mainly mine). At the time we had the Stars binding us together (and the turf wars) but the Citadel was what everyone could do for the Clan and for each other. It was a way of everyone contributing and giving. If Jagex remove the Citadel now - was our work for nothing? You cannot just replace it with something else - we designed and personalized this, we poured ourselves into this Clan world and identify with it.

If in rl I built a house would you then feel right coming along and saying houses don't suit us now we are moving you into this lovely apartment as compensation for taking away your house - it is lovely and for you own good and will be better for all.

Citadel is not just and xp powerhouse or storage for Avatars (not listening to us about those either are you). It is where our newer players & ironmen get accessible (and free) summoning, smithing & craft. It is where other members can help them by gathering resources. Very important it is where some of our older members (that handful or two 65, 70 &+) can contribute to the Clan and feel their contributions are worthy. Much of the game is too complex for some of them now but in the Citadel they are contributing. It is a quiet place that we can chill and chat to friends in public chat without fear. Chilling and Chatting is what we are about.

Jagex you have absolutely no idea what makes a social Clan like mine and why people stay in this group. All I see is that you are trying to drive us away not only from this form of Clan but from the game . Tear down out physical home, rip the physical representation of our history away and then expect us to flourish and have pride?

27-Sep-2017 22:01:33 - Last edited on 27-Sep-2017 22:25:00 by Tigergal44

Noetica
Jul Member 2010

Noetica

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They don't get the psychology behind it. Might be simply solved by focusing on the soft human issues for once - even if that means having an expert in the field as a consultant for a lil while.

My post-RF impression was that they don't see the forest for the trees. There was such excitement over details. Clans are very much like families and the personal characteristics required to be a good clan leader are easy for us to see but is it time to try to express them yet again to the team? I have guided many young people through some horrendous personal difficulties as well as given much of my own life to ensuring the players in my clan have a pleasant clan environment - XP gains, citadels, they are objects - its the family feeling that is our forte.

As for CLF decisions 'moving' to the clf discord, yes this is a real worry to me because its not representative of the whole group.

Anyway, that's my addition to this discussion, keep up the good work guys ...
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28-Sep-2017 05:16:56

Noetica
Jul Member 2010

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Oh and another important point - I love so many of my fellow clan leaders, I feel we can sit down and instantly get it with each other. Have chatted and shared with many of you. There is no competition only mutual respect.

It is NOT purely a 'push and shove to be on top' game and any moves on Jagex part to make it moreso, will be a bad thing. Many of my clannies describe the clan as a safe space away from toxic players.

Maybe some of the key decision makers should spend at least 4 weeks in a few social/community clans so that they get it.
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28-Sep-2017 06:29:50 - Last edited on 28-Sep-2017 06:31:59 by Noetica

Mod Moltare

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Not going to address the rest of the thread yet, but: chatting in Discord / at Runefest is just a lead-in. We'll certainly keep the CLF posted once the future of clans begins to firm up in our plans, and ensure that you have a chance to offer your collective guidance.

28-Sep-2017 14:50:23

Dave Mercer
Aug Member 2011

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When it comes to competition, some clans enjoy competing with each other, some prefer to be closed clans and some enjoy being more social in a whole community. The idea of competing for cities / servers is nice; however, it should not prevent other people going about their normal business.

For example: Owning a city can reform certain bits cosmetically such as a few clan banners to celebrate their victory over that area.

In response of high levels being proud of their clan colours. High levels like myself will never wear a clan cape; for the reason they do not look very nice. Something that has been in my mind for a long time is why not just have a add on for capes to add the clan on that cape. Such as achievement capes and other popular capes.
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29-Sep-2017 14:07:26

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