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Tigergal44

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This argument / thread is still going??? Wow

To me it is a simple black and white case. If you wish to be a clan leader then be a leader. Come into the game once and a while and actually show your face to your clan. To pop in to register your presence for a couple of minutes in a 3 or 6 month period is not leadership to me but it would be all that is required. No matter what is going on in real life this should not be impossible. It does not require Runescape membership, and with internet cafes, library computers, and all sorts of other internet access it does not even require you to have a computer or internet access yourself.

As for the next highest person just trying to take over an existing clan - well use your ranks well and have the right person as the next senior player. If you don't want the clan to be run by someone in your absence (though they are doing this any way if you never bother to log in) or you don't trust someone then why do you have them as a deputy?

Looking at a lot of these posts I see leaders scared of 'losing' their clans and power bases. Are you a leader for the clan or for yourself? If it is for yourself then work for what you want to keep by bothering to log in for a few seconds. If it is for the clan and you are going to be absent then what are you doing clinging onto power and arguing about no one being worthy of replacing you.

13-Dec-2013 23:32:15

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I for one would not be scared of losing leadership. I actually gave up leadership when I knew I was going to be less active in game. I think most leaders would do this in my circumstances. However this discussion isn't about this, its about the best way to handle a situation when a clan leader goes inactive and hasn't put something in place.

The problem with the suggestions so far is that there is no fail safe way of determining who should replace a missing clan leader or if indeed a replacement is necessary for the health of the clan.

The email idea is worth a shot I think if Jagex could send an automated email maybe.

14-Dec-2013 00:05:24

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2023

Thylordship

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While I am a person who supports the automated system, I will say that it would be rather controversial for Jagex to not consider clans who don't need/want a new leader to automatically get one.

Jagex has time and time again reinforced the idea that real life comes first and no one should be forced to play this game (this was even mentioned in the world event 2 twitch by I think Mod Moltaire). Runescape has nothing in the game that requires you to log in every day. Sure the squeal, but nothing on the squeal provides game changing experience; merely game enhancing... and not even that big of a boost at that... though everything does add up of course...

Anyway,if/when they bring in a system like this, they need to do it in a way that does not require permanent activity; but differentiates players that have abandoned the clan from those that have made the preparations and should be left alone.

My suggestion is still that if certain permissions are given to the deputy owner, it triggers a script to remove you from the kicking script's list of clans to check... if that makes sense. These permissions would only be the ones that enhance the clan, none that remove; such as downgrades, removing, or locking the keep. While they could be given, they wouldn't be have to. What must be given would have to be upgrade citadel, clan wars rank, access to theater, broadcast noticeboard, edit noticeboard etc.

I have no hard feelings about emails; but I am wary about increased emails being sent to players as it opens the door to hackers with fake emails... This fear isn't great enough to say no to this idea, but if this route is taken, it shouldn't be taken lightly and be very limited on the things it's used for. Just a word of caution to Jagex.

14-Dec-2013 00:47:01

Mattt

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Thylordship said :

I agree, the rs inbox message system should be used over emails whenever possible. However, in this case, the clan leaders aren't even logging into the game, and so they wouldn't see it. The email we're proposing is a simple "Log into runescape, your clan is missing you": no links, nothing fishy. They should know not to click a link in a runescape-related email anyway - you'd think, anyway, being long-time clan leaders: not exactly brand new players. @_MatttB

14-Dec-2013 14:58:19

Oct

2006

Merrry

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I would like to add that in case the clan is doing fine and happy with the leaders absence. The co owners should have to either approve or abstain from vetoing against the owner being removed or instigate it. ie the auto feature. So all the co owner receive a in game message and an email " you're clan owner will be demoted do to inactively in 2 weeks. if you disagree with this action ....(whatever mechanism you ;put in place for them to say " I disagree leave owner as owner)this should also include who will become the new owner.

I didn't read every post but I would also say the the owners should be moved down a rank not removed from the clan , the new owner can decide to kick them.

3rd what will happen if the owner and oldest co owner have both been inactive for 6 months will it take a year to demote both ?

lastly I suggest if this is implemented the clan owners should have the ability to "name their successor" while they are active. I've lost track of who was made co owner when , if our owner where to become inactive and demoted we have no clue who would get ownership ...demoting all the cos and promoting them in the right order seems confusing , likely for mistakes to happen and arduous. Especially if over the months and years the owner changed their mind a few times , people left , co owners became inactive(as it is now when an owner leaves the clan goes to the first person who was promoted to co owner. if there are no co owners
I assume it goes down the ranks ) if its not obvious this would not apply to owner who will be effected by this and are currently inactive.

14-Dec-2013 19:31:39 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2013 19:44:48 by Merrry

Morilinde

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bump Thranduil | King of the Elves of the Wood

19-Dec-2013 16:14:34

G1n

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The last clan I was in created a unique account to be set as clan owner, this to eliminated the jealousy within the clan, (for those who which ed they could become the owner of the clan one day).

Clans can work perfect without an active clan owner.

Clans can be handled fine just by deputy owners etc.

19-Dec-2013 16:30:50

Sep

2011

Ignore List

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@Jullo,

Some clans can but not all, also when a new recruit asks you who is your owner and why they never see them what do you say? our owner could not care less and our deputys/overseers handle everything?

The arguments nearing the ending of this thread have been more so towards permissions as deputys are not given access to things first, for example when avatars came out my clan owner was inactive and we have to wait 2 months and then I got permission to put buffs/design it and such. To continue with this, with the introduction of the broadcasting systems only the owner can use it till they give permission to lower ranks, most clans are still unable to use it so it makes the update useless for those such clans.

We than had the arguments about kicking inactives as deputys are only allowed to kick 2 people out the clan per day.
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19-Dec-2013 19:55:35

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I was in that very situation once Nice Timing. When new recruits asked where the clan leader was we said he was busy irl and they were fine with that. I suppose if you are going to answer that the clan leader doesn't care less it could cause problems so I suppose it depends what you say to new recruits.

19-Dec-2013 20:03:03

G1n

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Ignore List said :
@Jullo,

Some clans can but not all, also when a new recruit asks you who is your owner and why they never see them what do you say? our owner could not care less and our deputys/overseers handle everything?

People process tasks differently, some perform well and vice versa.
Clanning is a social aberration. If you have a clan leader with social skills and common sense, they would handle the question(s) with ease.

19-Dec-2013 22:18:54

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