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Shamk
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Alright folks, it's been awhile since I've posted. Hello again. ^_^

Unfortunately, I come here supporting a loaded subject. Something that keeps happening that shouldn't, something terribly dumb. I personally don't think anyone should be fretting over it, but for some reason many still do...So lets address that.

Why is the Looking for Founders forum so heavily moderated? Why are all these small time clan owners being ruthlessly removed.
I don't blame Tren or anyone else, they are doing their job and enforcing forum conduct.
But why is searching for Leaders in an established clan such a crime? First, let's debunk a couple facts that shut most people down the moment this topic is broached.



Myth #1:
You can just change your Clan's Forum title or Mention on your thread you are looking for qualified ranks.


Reality: Where do I begin....No, that's not what you do if you're smart whatsoever. First off, have you seen the forum traffic? Short of Bumping 24/7, you are at severe disadvantage. Secondly, you are more likely to get an offer about a clan merge opportunity then a decent person to help you. People are on clan weakness like white on rice, even if you personally aren't, or don't think twice, someone else does. And it quickly bars new members from taking you seriously. Moreover this is presuming you change your clan
Forum Title.
If you just mention it on post #1 or whatever, you are betting on someone qualified happening to click on you and happening to want to join and happening to not look elsewhere.

Myth #2:
If it's allowed, everybody will be trying to get admin+ ranks, and nobody will want to work for anything!


Sure there will be those that want to leech. That already exists whether you like it or not. Everyone will
NOT
try for Admin ranks, as not everyone wants to....


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05-Apr-2017 10:18:50 - Last edited on 05-Apr-2017 10:42:20 by Shamk

Shamk
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.........Work or lead in clans. I presume if someone doesn't fulfill their duties, they don't keep their rank anyway right? Moreover many genuine ranks are happy to trial or work up to their desired station, besides getting it right off the bat.

In addition, what's your fear? Everyone will demand Ava warden? The Avatar rework is supposedly incoming at some point, and even if it never happens, dozens of clans offer Perm Admin to everyone. Making this myth very shaky.

Myth #3:
New clans won't form cause established clans will steal everyone.


Also not true, sure some will prefer established clans. But this is a good thing! How? Let me elaborate.

Most people actually looking to Found a new clan are truly, wanting, a new clan or a clan of their own. And will 90% of the time politely decline the offers of an established and even large clan.

Some also don't want the hassle of a new clan, they just felt ignored, or were directly ignored, I their old one. They may found a clan, but will eventually grow despondent due to the quiet times, lack of members, huge workload...and leave. Leaving the other founders dangling.

This is why most "established" clans go looking in fact. They are new or just starting out, and people up and bail. It's borderline cruel, but it just is. So they go back to where it began, and are silenced by Moderators. Because they are now an "Established" clan.

To say nothing of dead clans attempting to recover or rebuild.

In theory, I think it would reveal more earnest members for any select clan. Those that are serious about founding, and those who feel broken and don't know what they want.

This will also reveal founder trolls. Those that help found purely to cause havoc and leave.


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05-Apr-2017 10:41:25 - Last edited on 05-Apr-2017 10:43:10 by Shamk

Shamk
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Myth #4:
You should ask your Clan Members if anyone is interested in accepting a leadership role.

Wow, really? I should? Why didn't I think of that sooner! It's so simple! I should have just asked my clan mates. CLEARLY I DIDN'T ASK, since I took the easy route and just wrote out a post, pasted it repeatedly, interviewed multiple people, and risked giving a stranger power in my clan.


SMH.

Did it occur to anyone that the few clan members most of these clans possess aren't interested in helping, or might be nice, but certainly wouldn't make a good leader?




So here are a few examples of the moderation, in case you don't know what I am talking about.













.....And this is but the tip of the iceberg.

This is simply way too much. Furthermore some Clan owners, who shall remain nameless. Enforce the rules that they once broke on this thread. Condemning others since they no longer required any help.

It's quite hypocritical to say the least.


So what's my solution?

Destroy it all and start over. Kidding, wanted to make sure you were still reading. Just allow it, or make a separate thread dedicated to established clans who need leaders.

I am happy to answer all question/concerns. I would hope you support this, because if there's enough support, perhaps the rule can finally be reversed and we can all relax a bit?

If you do not support, I only request you leave a reason that I might address.

Thank-you all.

Peace.
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05-Apr-2017 11:05:45 - Last edited on 05-Apr-2017 14:14:10 by Shamk

Kera
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I agree that the forum itself is becoming sidetracked, and some people getting more than a little riled up. But it is in itself breaking the specific forum rule. The looking for founders thread should just be for that.

I think it would make sense to have another thread specifically for existing clans looking for ranks.

Shamk said :
Wow, really? I should? Why didn't I think of that sooner! It's so simple! I should have just asked my clan mates. CLEARLY I DIDN'T ASK, since I took the easy route and just wrote out a post, pasted it repeatedly, interviewed multiple people, and risked giving a stranger power in my clan
This made me LOL
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05-Apr-2017 12:45:06 - Last edited on 05-Apr-2017 12:50:20 by Kera

Lisaa
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From what I've seen, it seems most clans are struggling to find adequate people to serve as their admins. Honestly, I think a large part of this is the simple fact that there are too many clans in the game, and none of their leaders are willing to relinquish power to become an admin+ rank for another clan.

The Looking For Founders is for exactly that - clans that are in the process of being created. If well-established clans begin using it to farm admin ranks, it's going to be impossible for the new clans to get themselves started, as people who would take an Admin tier in a 5-man clan would rather take an Admin tier in a 250-man clan.
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05-Apr-2017 13:13:25

Shamk
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Lisaa said :
From what I've seen, it seems most clans are struggling to find adequate people to serve as their admins. Honestly, I think a large part of this is the simple fact that there are too many clans in the game, and none of their leaders are willing to relinquish power to become an admin+ rank for another clan.

The Looking For Founders is for exactly that - clans that are in the process of being created. If well-established clans begin using it to farm admin ranks, it's going to be impossible for the new clans to get themselves started, as people who would take an Admin tier in a 5-man clan would rather take an Admin tier in a 250-man clan.


I thought about this for a long time, and while I agree it's a possibility, the reality I think will be lower then one would think.

Successful established clans, don't need more manpower. Thus barely if ever look for it. A talented recruit is one thing, but to hand out a rank to a random? Most clan owners get held to the fire for doing anything like that. :P

Also, as I've discovered occasionally PM'ing someone who fascinates me on that thread, if they want a new clan, a new clan they shall found or die trying. They may be flattered, might guest, but nothing else. Unless they fail, and happen to come back around.

Furthermore, this doesn't address all the small rebuilding/drowning clans who really need someone. Nobody goes to the clan forums looking for actual ranks in clans their serious on joining.

In addition, like I said, several very successful clans I know make everyone admin+. If someone wants the rank it's easy to achieve.

There will be those that may abuse this, but I still think it'll weigh itself out. For example, my clan has little need of extra ranks, so does Viking I'd wager. So why would we abuse? :)
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05-Apr-2017 14:05:29

Shamk
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Also, I agree with you on the why clans are struggling bit, it's why I became a Deputy vs. refounding. That and RL work.

LOL @ Kera....I swear people think that needy owners never think to ask anyone in their clan first....How could you not? O_o
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05-Apr-2017 14:08:18

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I'm confused, you want to use the looking for founders forum for something other than looking for founders?

Coz if that's the case, that is so stupid (omg see what i did there?)

I had no idea it was being used for anything other than looking for founders.

If people are using it for something else, they are doing the wrong thing, it serves a specific purpose & it makes perfect sense to have a forum reserved for that.

Perhaps what you are after is a new forum?


I feel like I mustn't be understanding what this is about.

From what I can tell, you are saying that you should be able to use the Looking For Founders forum for something other than looking for founders.

Is that correct?
If so, then I don't know where to begin :o
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05-Apr-2017 14:41:35

Esploratore
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If the type of posts Ranny is describing have been made frequently over a period of time now and are being removed, I see no harm in creating a new section for clans trying to fill leadership positions on the forum.

05-Apr-2017 15:23:05

Scret
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Agreed, i see no harm in using it as a place to look for new leaders in an already established clan. Its very nitpicky and by the activity on the rs forums i say can they really afford to be that nitpicky about some of the rules.
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05-Apr-2017 16:03:44 - Last edited on 05-Apr-2017 16:06:04 by Scret

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