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Scret
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Seer of War said :
Shamk said :

I mean absolutely no disrespect, but did you Fully Read my presentation on page one? I have a hard time believing you'd say this if you had.

You might also view some of my other posts just to be sure.

Looking for ranks outside of say your clan, or mine, is silly. We have plenty of members and even qualified ones for staff ranks. But I'm not referring to clans like ours at all.

Not to say large clans don't sometimes need serious help, but they aren't really my focus with this forum.


Yes I read your thread lol. I know exactly what I said and I stand by it.

This proposal is asking for trouble for clans that are already having hard times. Even the founders that people find on the current thread don't always work out. What makes you think finding leaders in this fashion would lead to a better result?

I do not believe that Jagex should normalize this by creating a thread to Find Staff for the reasons I already stated. It would mislead clans into believing that handing out leadership ranks to players they barely know is a viable solution (and I sincerely believe that it would end up causing much more harm than good - which is why I posted in the first place.)


I read through this thread before I replied, and frankly I believe that this idea is opening a pandora's box that would potentially have dire consequences. That is why I replied - because I absolutely do not believe Jagex should implement this idea. Nothing I've
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Lol Its entirely up to people how they want to select leaders and in no way Jagex's priority to enforce how people want to pick their leaders.

I think youre reading way too much into this.
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10-Apr-2017 01:02:33

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Seems my post/question was buried a couple of pages ago without a reply, so I'll ask it again, adding a couple more questions.
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I'm seeing a common trend with clans these days that they're in need of people to serve as admins. I'm rather curious, so I'd like to ask the following questions. These go out to every clan leader that's looking for admins, not just Ranny:

1. What are you looking for in particular for admins? i.e., what is your clan "missing" that it needs admins for? Does it need warm bodies to be on? Chat moderators? Event organizers? Citadel managers? Advisory council? Someone to use the chat very often? Be specific , don't just say "all of the above."

2. If adequate third-party tools existed for clans that eliminated your particular needs for additional Admins, would you use them? For example, apps that remind you to promote specific people at specific times, something to automatically alert you when the Citadel reset, among other things.

3. Would you be willing to take on an admin who is not physically in-game much ("Ghost-Admin" ), but easy to contact offsite? (Discord, Twitter, etc...)

4. Would you be willing to forgo entry requirements and mandatory citadel capping if someone was willing to volunteer to assist in clan admin work?

5. Would you and your clan be willing to take part in a "Trainee" program? People seeking experience in clan administration would join your clan for a couple of months as an admin, performing the specific duties as an admin for your clan, while you teach them the in's and out's, do's and don't's of leading a clan. Ideally, Trainees would be in your clan for 3-5 months, you would have multiple trainees, and they'd leave without a hassle after their training ends.

10-Apr-2017 02:23:45

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Scret said :

Lol Its entirely up to people how they want to select leaders and in no way Jagex's priority to enforce how people want to pick their leaders.

I think youre reading way too much into this.


Nothing I've said implies that clan's are free to make their own policies on vetting and implementing leadership ranks.

You're exactly right when you say its not "Jagex's priority to enforce how people want to pick their leaders."

That is exactly why I oppose this idea - because it would basically mean Jagex is endorsing the idea of handing out leadership ranks to players that clans barely know as a viable solution to leadership challenges - this is not a position that I believe the game makers should embrace for the multiple reasons I've already listed.

Clans are already free to choose how they wish to choose leadership ranks, but Jagex's endorsement is quite a different matter. Therein lies the issue of this discussion.

This is not a position I believe would be beneficial to the clan community as a whole. Nor do I believe it would solve any of the issues it is intended to address. Jagex should continue the currently existing policy and clans can continue to choose their own methods for choosing leaders.

Nothing in this thread addresses my concerns, and honestly I've seen no convincing argument as to why Jagex should intervene. I have laid out a series of arguments in an attempt to open this issue up for critical thought.

I would strongly recommend Jagex consider all of this before endorsing and enabling the idea that clans should be encouraged to give leadership ranks to players they barely know (which is what making a thread for this would entail.) Clans are obviously already free to take this path if they choose, but Jagex should not endorse this as a solution.

I urge you all to think about the side effects (both near and long term) of this proposal, that is the purpose behind my posts. :)
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10-Apr-2017 19:25:01

Esploratore
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The forums are simply a tool for communication. Having a thread available for clan leadership to make initial contact with others who might play a vital role in the future of a clan would clearly be helpful to some.

It's up to individual clan leaders to ask the right questions in order to determine if someone is well-suited to be a part of their clan in whatever capacity that might be.

Jagex need not micromanage all clans in how they choose their staff, but providing an area within the forum for communication without concern that a legitimate post is going to be removed is a fair and valid request.

All posts that have been allowed through the years within the RSOF haven't been in direct line with any philosophy Jagex may or may not have regarding the various topics included in it. In fact, some might have actually been contrary to various mods' opinion/viewpoint. (They obviously aren't endorsing those ideas.)

Some seem to be making a mountain out of a molehill here of a reasonable request.

10-Apr-2017 21:00:44 - Last edited on 10-Apr-2017 21:04:35 by Esploratore

Lisaa
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Seer of War said :
That is exactly why I oppose this idea - because it would basically mean Jagex is endorsing the idea of handing out leadership ranks to players that clans barely know as a viable solution to leadership challenges
Technically speaking, it wouldn't be a Jagex endorsement if a player created the thread, and an Fmod stickied it ;)

I'd support having a "Looking for Clan Admins" thread stickied in either LFC or Clan Central.
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10-Apr-2017 23:00:17 - Last edited on 10-Apr-2017 23:00:50 by Lisaa

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Would the thread allow both sides to put in a reply? (Leaders looking for staff -> Staff looking for clans to support)

If that's the case, might also be an idea to only allow a clan to post once per day to prevent pages full of spam.
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10-Apr-2017 23:32:42

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How about we just lock this thread as its sounding more stupid each day or 2 every time i come on clf to see it keeps getting bumped up


However i do have to 100% totally agree with ( seer of war )


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10-Apr-2017 23:44:45

Scret
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Seer of War said :
Scret said :

Lol Its entirely up to people how they want to select leaders and in no way Jagex's priority to enforce how people want to pick their leaders.

I think youre reading way too much into this.


Nothing I've said implies that clan's are free to make their own policies on vetting and implementing leadership ranks.

You're exactly right when you say its not "Jagex's priority to enforce how people want to pick their leaders."

That is exactly why I oppose this idea - because it would basically mean Jagex is endorsing the idea of handing out leadership ranks to players that clans barely know as a viable solution to leadership challenges - this is not a position that I believe the game makers should embrace for the multiple reasons I've already listed.

Clans are already free to choose how they wish to choose leadership ranks, but Jagex's endorsement is quite a different matter. Therein lies the issue of this discussion.

This is not a position I believe would be beneficial to the clan community as a whole. Nor do I believe it would solve any of the issues it is intended to address. Jagex should continue the currently existing policy and clans can continue to choose their own methods for choosing leaders.

Nothing in this thread addresses my concerns, and honestly I've seen no convincing argument as to why Jagex should intervene. I have laid out a series of arguments in an attempt to open this issue up for critical thought.
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Difference being its jagex who DO impose the rules of the forums and therefore it IS down to them if we want them changed or not. its an entirely different situation and i see absolutely no reason why Jagex should oppose how people choose to pick their leadership.

I really dont understand why you would care how people choose their leaders, there are no side effects, youre over reacting to a very simple idea.
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11-Apr-2017 00:27:11 - Last edited on 11-Apr-2017 00:30:27 by Scret

Lisaa
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Guardian Elf said :
Would the thread allow both sides to put in a reply? (Leaders looking for staff -> Staff looking for clans to support)

If that's the case, might also be an idea to only allow a clan to post once per day to prevent pages full of spam.
That sounds about right, support =)

P.S. I give this thread 3 days to resolve itself, then I'll make the thread on my own and see if it gets locked or not >=3
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11-Apr-2017 04:57:37

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