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Tigergal44 said :
Lol loved the line " We are not looking for suggestions on this one - rather we are looking at what is best code wise in allowing us to improve on in the future."

Translation - we do not care for Clan leader opinions on how Avatar gathering in the Citadel will work. Your experience, how as Citadel managers you wish to manage the build, and your thoughts as to what will / will not work are totally irrelevant to us. As with the Avatar = pets you will get what you are given and be happy about it or shut up

Edit - admit to feeling jaded - after so many promises broken and false starts over so many years I no longer believe in either a future that considers what we as players want or what is in our best interests


Some decisions are based on game health over all - these are often things that players do not have visibility over, such as the number of DB calls a process is making, changes to the coding environment that make a previously used instruction no longer appropriate or legacy scripts that cause significant issues when we look at addressing new content to specific game areas.

It is a significant issue with Clan code that chunks of it are very problematic when we look at making any changes to those features - design, development and testing all become a massive challenge and it makes even small changes very difficult to make.

The major reason for the changes to the Clan Avatar are to free it from a number of these issues. This does mean the functionality will change and it is certainly the case that some clans will not prefer the way the Clan Avatar will work. However the feedback to the proposed changes have largely been positive and where there have been good points made about the design we have considered them carefully as to what we can include or can't include in the changes we make.

We have read all the feedback, several times over. It has not been ignored - some has been included, some of it we do not agree with and some of it we might agree with but cannot implement as part of these changes. But we have not ignored it.
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07-Feb-2017 09:02:10

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Mod Matthe said :
Ceecs said :
Mod Matthe said :
Wubbleyou said :
Macka said :
I totally forgot, this means we can't use Avatar anymore to gather resources at the Citadel?


It’s not overly clear how, but the following is from Mod Moltare’s thread on FGU’s (under Proposed Solutions) and it seems that avatars will still gather.

e) While the avatar pet is summoned, in the citadel it will gather resources every few seconds up to a cap shared across all clan avatars. (Basically the same behaviour as in live, but with a large clan it'll reach the cap quicker.)

Clarification has been requested, by myself and others, but I haven’t seen anything yet. It can be read in different ways :P


We are still considering how best to implement this, but it is part of the requirements of the design.


- Allow the leader/high rank to choose what resources avatar pets gather in citadel. And when summoned in citadel give BXP + the resource gathering as passive effect.


We are not looking for suggestions on this one - rather we are looking at what is best code wise in allowing us to improve on in the future.


How about remove the option that avatar pets gather resources. But instead give extra resources according to the tier of the habitat (perhaps in Summoning resources, so it goes to what is need the most first and can not be transfered to the week after incase not all used)
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07-Feb-2017 09:47:43

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The bit about losing Avatar gathering ability ( as in 1 or 2 people directing the avatar to collect x for a set amount of time. Ie while they are thete) that is sticking in my craw is that it fundamental changes how we help low level players with smithing. Now instead of setting the Avatars to get charcoal and ore us higher players will have to forego the plots we want to help gather ourselves ( heaven knows I don't want more mining). Just setting them to collect over all the ' new' avatars will result in either oversupply or the individuals benefiting because resource is collected at the wrong time.

Just feel for the ' greater good' of the game everything I care about gets nerfed out reach.

07-Feb-2017 10:40:32

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Simplifying the code so that it clears the way for future updates sounds sensible and I don't expect all change to be exactly what everyone wants. What is, ever? There are always pros and cons.

I'm looking forward to a cc rank being free to use for another purpose and also looking forward to not having to go fetch the ava every time. Also hoping that clannies keep playing on our home world. Time will tell. Thanks for clarifying,
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08-Feb-2017 16:29:40

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although i like the idea of removing the avatar so everyone can ''walk'' with there own buff, and i get that it will simplify the code for future updates. witch i'm looking forward to!

but seeing something so important leave the citadel for nothing in return for now feels not right. i support the idea of removing the avatar but i just hope when it gets removed we also get something new. Otherwise i don't see the whole point of removing the clan avatars yet.

When the avatars gets removed how long do we need to wait before something new gets updated to the clan citadel? probably 1 year +!?
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08-Feb-2017 19:47:05 - Last edited on 08-Feb-2017 19:47:56 by Wishdom

Mod Matthe

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Wishdom said :
although i like the idea of removing the avatar so everyone can ''walk'' with there own buff, and i get that it will simplify the code for future updates. witch i'm looking forward to!

but seeing something so important leave the citadel for nothing in return for now feels not right. i support the idea of removing the avatar but i just hope when it gets removed we also get something new. Otherwise i don't see the whole point of removing the clan avatars yet.

When the avatars gets removed how long do we need to wait before something new gets updated to the clan citadel? probably 1 year +!?


We are not removing Clan Avatars - we are breaking some of the current dependencies but we are not removing them from the game and there is still probably a link to the Citadel through fealty.
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09-Feb-2017 09:30:53

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Mod Matthe said :
Ceecs said :
Mod Matthe said :
Wubbleyou said :
Macka said :
I totally forgot, this means we can't use Avatar anymore to gather resources at the Citadel?


It’s not overly clear how, but the following is from Mod Moltare’s thread on FGU’s (under Proposed Solutions) and it seems that avatars will still gather.

e) While the avatar pet is summoned, in the citadel it will gather resources every few seconds up to a cap shared across all clan avatars. (Basically the same behaviour as in live, but with a large clan it'll reach the cap quicker.)

Clarification has been requested, by myself and others, but I haven’t seen anything yet. It can be read in different ways :P


We are still considering how best to implement this, but it is part of the requirements of the design.


- Allow the leader/high rank to choose what resources avatar pets gather in citadel. And when summoned in citadel give BXP + the resource gathering as passive effect.


We are not looking for suggestions on this one - rather we are looking at what is best code wise in allowing us to improve on in the future.


How can you not be accepting suggestions on this when you are changing the coding for it, surely alternatives suggestions/solutions should be looked out for. It is one of the more used features of the avatar.

Is something as simple as % boost for personal resource gathering not an alternative in its place?
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09-Feb-2017 11:54:10

Mod Matthe

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Scret said :

How can you not be accepting suggestions on this when you are changing the coding for it, surely alternatives suggestions/solutions should be looked out for. It is one of the more used features of the avatar.

Is something as simple as % boost for personal resource gathering not an alternative in its place?


Because there are limited possibilities for the solutions in this space due to the complications of module communication and so we are focused on what is achievable. We could collect lots of awesome suggestions but at the point we could fulfill none of the ones you want we'd have a real problem.
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09-Feb-2017 13:18:11

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Guys I get all the objections & the wanting things different, there's a lot I'd like different also.

BUT.

They have my full support & encouragement on the changes they are planning to make, as we have been asking for ages that they despaghettify citadel code, & this is why they are making this change.

This is an important start to merging clans with game content in the future & I think it's in our best interests to encourage them with this & keep enquiring as to what is next.

I'm sad to lose my orts & the fun of meeting ppl with ava for buffing etc, & the group bankstanding with ava, but if I had a choice of keeping those things, or accepting these changes & moving towards more compatible code, I would choose this first step without hesitation.

& I know a lot of you feel the same :)
I'm just gently reminding the others that while it has its drawbacks, it is the direction we want.
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