Using the statements in MattHe’s post, ‘one of the most common pieces of feedback is the request for 6%’ and ‘almost all of those requests were made by Avatar Wardens’. Surely that means then that the majority of players who took the time to post already have access to 6%, and not that ‘a lot more players would gain the maximum benefit’??
Loss of other “characterful” buffs
I get that Jagex want to simplify the mess of spaghetti code, and that in the (dark and distant) future, if they want to make further improvements it might be easier. We are not however losing ‘some of the niche and low impact features’, we are losing everything other than the xp buff.
Citadels
Let’s be honest here - unless you are a very low level player, the rewards are terrible.
Clan Cup Winners
I don’t have strong views either way about this, other than feeling irritated that the coding required to achieve it is deemed important enough to keep, yet the basis for this whole change is to reduce coding! I’ll just assume that it is easier to leave the coding then remove it.
The Avatar Plot
So, all the time we spent creating a tier 3 Avatar Plot is wasted, with no indication that the resources it consumed will be of any benefit to clans either now or in the future. But hey, we now have another cosmetic. :/
Sorry to sound so negative, but this to me is yet another slap in the face for clans.
First off, i work, i have other hobbies and interests, so as much as id love to sit here all day offering idea upon idea that will probably get overlooked by Jagex because ya know "lack of development time" and all that jazz and an apparent lack of direction from anything other than a micro transaction but why in hells would i offer up ideas about how the avatar can encourage group play when ive spent years posting about how poor the thing was at doing this and asking for the updates we are now getting? Ive said for a long time i dodnt consider it good and focus on other things instead.
OFC theres logic in my arguments you just dont want to see them as that and at the very least its better than "you dont understand or didnt read" lol, like i say im busy and i admit my posts can sometimes be half assed and to the point as much as possible.
I understand that you want them for the good of the community but again i dont think that simply giving extra xp from standing around together with an avatar is going to be a total loss for the community, its not going to change peoples gameplay in any way what so ever, people can still skill together in the same way, im talking specifics here too, the actual specific idea of the avatar xp boost is no loss to anything what so ever.
I never said it wasnt an incentive, just said it wasnt a very good one and yes it absolutely matters if its a good one or not because if its not good then it wont outweigh the support of changing it.
To summarise, if we want to promote community driven content then theres better focus on other things rather than the avatar.
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29-Jan-2017 14:25:33
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29-Jan-2017 14:29:45
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Scret
Which is exactly the reason we don't want 6/7 of the buffs deleting. Jagex say they "might", not they "will" - and I'm betting it will become a "won't" because of lack of development time.
There's actually some stuff for me to properly address in this post.
Scret
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simply giving extra xp from standing around together with an avatar is going to be a total loss for the community,
But it's still
"a loss"
- which is our problem. We don't want to lose it.
We want it to be
improved
, not completely changed and destroyed.
We want the Avatar to work exactly like it does now; but we want everyone to be able to summon it, and we want the buffs to be better. We want to preserve it as a community-encouraging tool.
Jagex (and you among others) want to completely change the Avatar: delete 6/7 of the buffs, give everyone their own personal Avatar, etc.
Scret
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people can still skill together in the same way,
They can, but less will.
That's why we disagree with giving everyone their own personal Avatar instead of having x amount for the Clan to share as a whole.
Scret
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I never said it wasnt an incentive, just said it wasnt a very good one
Which is why we want the current buffs to be improved and for everyone to summon it.
Subzero
Incursione
2100+/130+ Clan, Avatar access for all.
My posts on the issue are currently half assed because i simply dont have the time currently and i have already spent years posting about this subject. My points still stand maybe you shouldve objected to them sooner.
"Millions of people agree with my viewpoint; therefore, it must be right."
I.E. - The bandwagon effect, appealing to the masses, or argument by consensus.
Do you
honestly
believe that? Do you
honestly
believe that just because more people agree with you, you are therefore correct?
It doesn't matter whether/not we are the minority. All that matters is whether or not the case we put forward is stronger than the one you are. (Which at the moment, objectively, it is.)
Scret
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My points still stand maybe you shouldve objected to them sooner.
Why don't you post the relevant ones this thread and we can address each of them one?
I notice you seem to like claiming you've done
X
or
Y
, and thought of
Z
, but never actually show any evidence of such.
Scret
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i have already spent years posting about this subject
OK. What relevance does this have? If I've never seen them I can't respond to them. Contrary to what you may think I haven't read every single post you've ever made.
Subzero
Incursione
2100+/130+ Clan, Avatar access for all.
29-Jan-2017 19:56:23
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29-Jan-2017 19:59:18
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Subzero
Why dont you look for the relevant ones in my history, after all its for you to defend now.
Relevance being that i did post opinions and ideas just because you didnt see them doesnt mean they dont exist lol. I have been quite vocal about the avatar though on a lot of occasions its not as if this forum is the most active.
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bad update just keep it as it is
We are unlikely to keep it as it is - the Clan Avatar code as it is is a blocker on future Clan development. If we want to look at doing anything more with Clans or Citadels the design team have made clear we need to deal with the way that current Clan Avatar. These suggestions allow us to do that - sadly the alternative suggestions made by players would not and would instead complicate the matter.
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Former Community Manager, now in Events & occasional Lore Monkey
I feel like taking away the 'power' to give certain people avatar heurts ranking systems, i'd say people need permission of some kind to get the buff in order to make sure we have somthing to motivate people to be active.
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