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Wubbleyou
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6% Experience Buff

Using the statements in MattHe’s post, ‘one of the most common pieces of feedback is the request for 6%’ and ‘almost all of those requests were made by Avatar Wardens’. Surely that means then that the majority of players who took the time to post already have access to 6%, and not that ‘a lot more players would gain the maximum benefit’??

Loss of other “characterful” buffs

I get that Jagex want to simplify the mess of spaghetti code, and that in the (dark and distant) future, if they want to make further improvements it might be easier. We are not however losing ‘some of the niche and low impact features’, we are losing everything other than the xp buff.

Citadels

Let’s be honest here - unless you are a very low level player, the rewards are terrible.

Clan Cup Winners

I don’t have strong views either way about this, other than feeling irritated that the coding required to achieve it is deemed important enough to keep, yet the basis for this whole change is to reduce coding! I’ll just assume that it is easier to leave the coding then remove it.

The Avatar Plot

So, all the time we spent creating a tier 3 Avatar Plot is wasted, with no indication that the resources it consumed will be of any benefit to clans either now or in the future. But hey, we now have another cosmetic. :/

Sorry to sound so negative, but this to me is yet another slap in the face for clans.
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29-Jan-2017 13:53:15

Scret
Mar Member 2018

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@Subzero

First off, i work, i have other hobbies and interests, so as much as id love to sit here all day offering idea upon idea that will probably get overlooked by Jagex because ya know "lack of development time" and all that jazz and an apparent lack of direction from anything other than a micro transaction but why in hells would i offer up ideas about how the avatar can encourage group play when ive spent years posting about how poor the thing was at doing this and asking for the updates we are now getting? Ive said for a long time i dodnt consider it good and focus on other things instead.

OFC theres logic in my arguments you just dont want to see them as that and at the very least its better than "you dont understand or didnt read" lol, like i say im busy and i admit my posts can sometimes be half assed and to the point as much as possible.

I understand that you want them for the good of the community but again i dont think that simply giving extra xp from standing around together with an avatar is going to be a total loss for the community, its not going to change peoples gameplay in any way what so ever, people can still skill together in the same way, im talking specifics here too, the actual specific idea of the avatar xp boost is no loss to anything what so ever.

I never said it wasnt an incentive, just said it wasnt a very good one and yes it absolutely matters if its a good one or not because if its not good then it wont outweigh the support of changing it.

To summarise, if we want to promote community driven content then theres better focus on other things rather than the avatar.
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29-Jan-2017 14:25:33 - Last edited on 29-Jan-2017 14:29:45 by Scret

Subzero

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Scret said :
i work, i have other hobbies


... Implying I/others don't?


Scret said :
"lack of development time"



Which is exactly the reason we don't want 6/7 of the buffs deleting. Jagex say they "might", not they "will" - and I'm betting it will become a "won't" because of lack of development time.


Scret said :
my posts can sometimes be half assed


Maybe that's why we criticise your position and don't believe you understand our perspective?

If you're going to give a half-arsed input into something that some of us really care about then don't expect people to meet you with praise...


Scret said :
OFC theres logic in my argument


There's actually some stuff for me to properly address in this post.


Scret said :
simply giving extra xp from standing around together with an avatar is going to be a total loss for the community,


But it's still "a loss" - which is our problem. We don't want to lose it.

We want it to be improved , not completely changed and destroyed.


We want the Avatar to work exactly like it does now; but we want everyone to be able to summon it, and we want the buffs to be better. We want to preserve it as a community-encouraging tool.


Jagex (and you among others) want to completely change the Avatar: delete 6/7 of the buffs, give everyone their own personal Avatar, etc.


Scret said :
people can still skill together in the same way,


They can, but less will.

That's why we disagree with giving everyone their own personal Avatar instead of having x amount for the Clan to share as a whole.


Scret said :
I never said it wasnt an incentive, just said it wasnt a very good one


Which is why we want the current buffs to be improved and for everyone to summon it.
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29-Jan-2017 14:56:57

Scret
Mar Member 2018

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And by "we" you mean the minority.

My posts on the issue are currently half assed because i simply dont have the time currently and i have already spent years posting about this subject. My points still stand maybe you shouldve objected to them sooner.
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29-Jan-2017 18:42:15

Subzero

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Scret said :
And by "we" you mean the minority.


Argumentum ad populum

"Millions of people agree with my viewpoint; therefore, it must be right."

I.E. - The bandwagon effect, appealing to the masses, or argument by consensus.





Do you honestly believe that? Do you honestly believe that just because more people agree with you, you are therefore correct?

It doesn't matter whether/not we are the minority. All that matters is whether or not the case we put forward is stronger than the one you are. (Which at the moment, objectively, it is.)



Scret said :
My points still stand maybe you shouldve objected to them sooner.


Why don't you post the relevant ones this thread and we can address each of them one? :) I notice you seem to like claiming you've done X or Y , and thought of Z , but never actually show any evidence of such.



Scret said :
i have already spent years posting about this subject


OK. What relevance does this have? If I've never seen them I can't respond to them. Contrary to what you may think I haven't read every single post you've ever made.
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29-Jan-2017 19:56:23 - Last edited on 29-Jan-2017 19:59:18 by Subzero

Scret
Mar Member 2018

Scret

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Why dont you look for the relevant ones in my history, after all its for you to defend now.

Relevance being that i did post opinions and ideas just because you didnt see them doesnt mean they dont exist lol. I have been quite vocal about the avatar though on a lot of occasions its not as if this forum is the most active.
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29-Jan-2017 20:37:41 - Last edited on 29-Jan-2017 20:41:13 by Scret

Mod Matthe

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2cool 2care said :
bad update just keep it as it is


We are unlikely to keep it as it is - the Clan Avatar code as it is is a blocker on future Clan development. If we want to look at doing anything more with Clans or Citadels the design team have made clear we need to deal with the way that current Clan Avatar. These suggestions allow us to do that - sadly the alternative suggestions made by players would not and would instead complicate the matter.
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02-Feb-2017 13:01:56

Ledr Knuckls

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ty for the updates and hopefully the avatars get changed so in future we can have more clan / citadel updates. fingers crossed hehe
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02-Feb-2017 17:27:23 - Last edited on 02-Feb-2017 17:31:55 by Ledr Knuckls

HomeScape

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I feel like taking away the 'power' to give certain people avatar heurts ranking systems, i'd say people need permission of some kind to get the buff in order to make sure we have somthing to motivate people to be active. #845
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