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After years of evading detection, my research finally led me to the castle above. It [the castle] seems similar to that of the Dragonkin of old: protectors of the artifact [the Stone of Jas], enders of the Great Wars. Of course, I should have expected It [The Rift] to be have been hidden in a manner as straightforward as this!


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I'm going to try and apply a theory that I've had brewing since the release of 'Twilight of the Gods', where we discovered Dahaka, an Aughra dragonkin, had managed to contract SIPD after possessing a prehistoric abyssal demon.

She's accompanied by Yakla, another Aughra dragonkin who we knew prior as Yk'Lagor the Thunderous, a Kal'Gerion demon, that resided in Daemonheim.

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My belief, is that the Dragonkin that had once inhabited Daemonheim Castle fled THROUGH the Rift before joining the ranks of various demonkind. The castle above is the remnants of the Aughra's home. It's through the rift that these Aughra body-snatching dragonkin came into contact with realms such as Infernus, where they could find abyssal portals to places such as Senntisten's asylum later on.

Now, the Rift is also the floor on which Zamorak's HQ is located, but it still works because it's described by Bilrach as a place where he could send Kal'Gerion demons from - and the Aughra fleeing through the portal after Kerapac's device enrages Jas predate's Zamoraks banishment and Bilrach's discovery of the Rift.

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If I am right, that's bad news for tying Daemonheim to Kranon in any way outside of pointing out that there are necromancers within.

Kranon was a Syrtes dragonkin, not an Aughra.
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The bad news for you is your theory has totally no supporting evidence. How in the world did the Dragonkin get the Stone of Jas that enslaved them for Ages, and how did it end up in the Dragonkin Castle and how did it get back to Guthix?

If the Dragonkin could get a hold of the Stone of Jas, wouldn't they have destroyed it right away like they did in Ritual of the Mahjarrat eventually?

Even more bad news for you is evidently Zamorak had returned and departed thanks to the mighty World Guardian. The Floor 61 Rift remained unfound. Why would Zamorak corrupt his own allies and made them insane anyway? There is totally no evidence and makes no sense the Rift has any relationship to Zamorak. Even near the end of Bilrach's journey, he questioned himself whether he was wrong all the time as he didn't feel Zamorak's presence there and if Zamorak was so powerful why didn't he break the Rift himself:

"I pulse with it now: the power that seeps from the interplaner rift. I cannot be far, and we progress with exhilarating speed. I question whether my proximity to my Master has meant that he lends his power to mine. Wait - if He has such influence on this world, could He not break through Himself? I must not sully my purpose with doubts: the end is too close."


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I'm not saying that the Stone was ever in Daemonheim Castle, I'm saying the Rift was!

The Aughra Dragonkin are the ones who lived in Daemonheim Castle, and left -through- the rift to escape the Curse. There, they became various demons, including the Infernals.

Think about it, Dilbert. It explains why Kerapac has a lab in Daemonheim, and why Kal'Gerions are among those who came from the Rift when Bilrach found it.

The Infernals have always been your missing Dragonkin.
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My supporting evidence is that Yk'Lagor is one of the demons that are actually Dragonkin as identified by Naressa during 'Twilight of the Gods.'

Yk'Lagor being one of the demons ties the Aughra to Daemonheim, which has a castle of dragonkin design resting above it!
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H 1 L D A said :
I'm not saying that the Stone was ever in Daemonheim Castle, I'm saying the Rift was!

The Aughra Dragonkin are the ones who lived in Daemonheim Castle, and left -through- the rift to escape the Curse. There, they became various demons, including the Infernals.

Think about it, Dilbert. It explains why Kerapac has a lab in Daemonheim, and why Kal'Gerions are among those who came from the Rift when Bilrach found it.

The Infernals have always been your missing Dragonkin.


Kerapac's lab had nothing to do with the Curse. He set it up to find a cure to the impotency of the Dragonriders. Besides, Kerapac is a Dactyl, not Aughra, Dragonkin. They two tribes don't share any common grounds in their objectives and experiments. Actually they have quite different beliefs from Desperate Measures.

You still have yet to tell us how the Aughra Dragonkin ended the Great Wars you think were the 3rd Age Godwars. There is totally no lore, history, evidence... just no nothing.

11-Dec-2023 01:34:06

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My assumption is that like many on Gielinor during the early 5th Age (see: the Wise Old Man, who believed Saradomin emerged victorious during the God Wars) - Bilrach also had no idea that Guthix was involved with their end.

That means quite a fair bit when talking about Zamorak's ability to return to Gielinor. If Bilrach had no idea that Zamorak was physically banished from the realm, he would have ample reason to believe, after however long he spent digging, that Zamorak was powerful enough to emerge from his hiding place on his own.

If the Rift has portals that can take you to Infernus, realm of the demons, then it's quite possible Zamorak was aware of it. Zamorak helped the Avernic demons overthrow the Cthonians back on Infernus.
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H 1 L D A said :
My supporting evidence is that Yk'Lagor is one of the demons that are actually Dragonkin as identified by Naressa during 'Twilight of the Gods.'

Yk'Lagor being one of the demons ties the Aughra to Daemonheim, which has a castle of dragonkin design resting above it!


Xau-Tak could be a draginkin. Tumeken could be a dragonkin too, but so what? We have all kinds of Dragonkin becoming something else, like Krannok becomes the Ambassador and Tarshak becomes The Abomination. And dragonkin could become salamanders with a Moksha device too. Nothing remotely suggested they had anything to do with the Rift though. After all, Dragonkin was the first known races on Gielinor, it wouldn't be a bit surprising evolution and mutation brought them into different new races, but they don't have a thing to do with the Rift.

"Bilrach also had no idea that Guthix was involved with their end."


If you believe so, how would you believe Bilach thought the Dragonkin were the enders of the Godwars (that you believe the Greatwars were)? Didn't Bilrach have to know the GWD stories before they could believe in who were the enders?

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I've already explained it.

The great wars Bilrach mentions are the God Wars, the artifact he mentions is the Stone of Jas, which he is familiar with because many user, including Zemorak, used it, which would trigger the Necrosyrtes destructive arrival.

When he refers to "enders of the Great Wars" - he is referring to the Necrosyrtes responding to the Stone's usage and decimating everything around the Stone, as per conditions of the curse that afflicts them.

It's a Mahjarrat external understanding of an event we already know from having worked closely with Kerapac internally.
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H 1 L D A said :
I've already explained it.

The great wars Bilrach mentions are the God Wars, the artifact he mentions is the Stone of Jas, which he is familiar with because many user, including Zemorak, used it, which would trigger the Necrosyrtes destructive arrival.

When he refers to "enders of the Great Wars" - he is referring to the Necrosyrtes responding to the Stone's usage and decimating everything around the Stone, as per conditions of the curse that afflicts them.

It's a Mahjarrat external understanding of an event we already know from having worked closely with Kerapac internally.


You have yet to answer my questions how did the dragonkin get the Stone of Jas, why didn't the Dragonkin destroy the Stone of Jas if they got a hold to it, and why did they want to end the Godwars, and then why mysteriously they got enslaved by the Stone of Jas after GWD until the Ritual of the Mahjarrat.

11-Dec-2023 01:52:28

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We already know Xau-Tak is responsible for warping Kranon into the Ambassador.

We already know Tarshak mutates from having absorbed V's power after it was transferred into him via the Mirror.

Neither of those were mysteries unsolved, unlike the disappearance of your Daemonheim Castle dragonkin.

There's a very strong argument to be made that the Aughra are your missing dragonkin because if they were located on Daemonheim they would have access to the Rift, which gives them access to places like Infernus.
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