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So, in Bilrach's account - he is - INCORRECTLY - associating the Necrosyrtes with 'ending the great wars' because he was in the presence of someone using the Stone of Jas.
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^^
Evidence and lore please?

On the contrary, we might have seen the Dragonkin Castle and the Artifact from this video, starting from 2:00:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8Zgpa_dzys

It was a glistening object casted in a purple frame. The adventurer climbed the Dragonkin Castle Wall to get to it. It is officially acknowledged as the footage for yet to release Jagex content.

The artifact is definitely not the Stone of Jas.

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Nope. It's your turn.

Where is the evidence that Bilrach, whom you have personally shown no deference for outside of this one chronicle, is correct in that the Dragonkin really were "enders of a Great War"? You don't even know what war he's talking about!

I don't know anything about this other game, so I won't hazard a guess. Those certainly do look like dragonkin.

5 Years ago? Man - its's a shame that artifact isn't even in a game that's been released yet.
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H 1 L D A said :
Nope. It's your turn.

Where is the evidence that Bilrach, whom you have personally shown no deference for outside of this one chronicle, is correct in that the Dragonkin really were "enders of a Great War"? You don't even know what war he's talking about!

I don't know anything about this other game, so I won't hazard a guess. Those certainly do look like dragonkin.

5 Years ago? Man - its's a shame that artifact isn't even in a game that's been released yet.


I already told you the "Bilrach" Moia found in the Daemonheim Dungeon was controlled by the shadow. Xau-Tak once chose him to be their commander when Moia came, they changed mind and make Moia "the goddess among her kind":

"Bilrach:
At fist a place to hide, but now a path to the surface. an unbroken gateway. Down here in this corrupted cave of walls and light, and end to this imprisonment. An endless freedom, and a new dawn. A dawn you must see, Moia. You are strong, in spite of the disease of your humanity. The portals will see the Mahjarrat within you blossom, and you will become like a goddess among your kind. As I was like a god among mine."


https://runescape.wiki/w/Transcript:Nadir_(saga)

The normal Bilrach would have no knowledge of Moia whatsoever, but he called Moia's name at first sight, just like Xau-Tak called out our name when we definitely haven't met yet:

"Bilrach:
Visitor! Ah, we have been - aha - waiting for you. Yes, Moia... Waiting. Come, come. The walls ache. Time for...I...oh.
Moia:
What is this...madness. Is this who I've been searching for? Surely not. Bilrach. How did you know my name? Did you know I was coming?
Bilrach:
Oh no, not I. Naturally! A portal here, a portal there. Another gift from the outside. Strange, I cannot recall asking for - but then, but then I have been here a long time, and we are...not what I used to be."

11-Dec-2023 02:43:20

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I'm not sure that's not just time finally catching up with Bilrach combined with being able to see Moia descending through the portals as he encounters them - but I understand your claim that he fell into madness.

It doesn't help that even though he is aware of who Moia is, he also, like other Mahjarrat, would take the time to take a potshot at her humanity. That's enough for me to assume he's just gone mad and is privy to knowledge - not being controlled by someone else entirely.
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H 1 L D A said :
I'm not sure that's not just time finally catching up with Bilrach combined with being able to see Moia descending through the portals as he encounters them - but I understand your claim that he fell into madness.

It doesn't help that even though he is aware of who Moia is, he also, like other Mahjarrat, would take the time to take a potshot at her humanity. That's enough for me to assume he's just gone mad and is privy to knowledge - not being controlled by someone else entirely.


The real Bilrach would not have called himself like the "god of his kind" as it would mean betraying and killing Zamorak. It can't be any more obvious it wasn't the real Bill speaking.

"Moia:
...
How did you know I was talking to Lucien?
Bilrach:
I know many things. I have felt your presence from the beginning, and waited. I see all within my dwelling - all things. I, too, feed from the portals, and I have grown strong again. Stronger than Lucien and his cohorts might recall. You could be that strong too, if you so desired."


That Bill knew more than just Moia he wasn't supposed to know, but also what she has been talking to Lucien recently when he was down in the dungeon for hundreds of years. How could that be the real Bilrach?

Perhaps the more stunning revelation:

"Bilrach:
Oh no, not I. Naturally! A portal here, a portal there. Another gift from the outside. Strange, I cannot recall asking for - but then, but then I have been here a long time,
and we are...not what I used to be."


We
are... not what
I
used to be...

So whoever talked through Bilrach changed from a single "he", "she" or "it" to "they"? ;)

This sentence used to be quite a mystery for over a decade, but perhaps I know the very interesting plot behind the entire epic stories of Vos, Xau-Tak, Dragonkin, Tumeken et al from lore since Necromancy.

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I'm not so sure Bilrach wouldn't elevate himself to a level simply higher than his fellow Mahjarrat.

That's not a direct comparison to Zamorak either, as he was just a literal god for quite a fair bit of time at that point. Bilrach is just simply saying that he is the strongest of all Mahjarrat with that turn of phrase, and that Moia could also partake in such power.

I don't know that there is enough to explain the "we" usage yet, but Daemonheim isn't Forinthry and it's really only associated with the current story insomuch as it remains the headquarters for the Zamorakian remnants.
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Bill has no powers to "elevate" himself. It was Xau-Tak talking to Moia through him in Nadir, and promising to make Moia "a goddess of her kind" rather.

Evidently, it wasn't the real Bill talking down in Floor 60 Daemonheim, as 11 year has pasted but Bill is not only not a "god of his kind" but also showed no sign of even trying to whatsoever. Bill is a puppet now, to the to be "goodess of her kind" Domina Moia instead, right on track with the words of Xau-Tak through Bill's mouth in Nadir 11 years ago.

We are... not what I used to be, is not just "we are not what I used to be". It is the way RS3 Jmods used often to put cliffhangers and Easter Eggs in their lore. When the right time comes, the voice behind the shadows will tell us "I told you so a decade ago...". :)

11-Dec-2023 18:17:09

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I'm gonna try and not extrapolate about lore that may take a decade to unravel because that's not really an immediate "aftermath" of the last quest. For what it's worth, I'm not dismissing your claim that something has taken over Bil and Moia out of hand. I just don't think it's where Jagex is wanting to go next.

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In the immediate time - I did another watch-through of 'Succession' because we already know that the Legacy of Zamorak quest arc was a bridge between the Elder God Wars and whatever is going on now. (best placeholder seems to be "Age of Chaos", we'll see if Jagex sticks with it.)

I want to call attention to what otherwise may be a mundane detail in 'Succession' - the ambassador seating arrangement part of the quest. I have a small hunch that these ambassadors may be a cheeky hint at where our immediate conflict will spread.

Firstly, let's start with the ambassador to MISTHALIN. We are here. This is where the conflict is currently at and will be in the early 2024 stretch. Interestingly, we haven't really received any help from Adrasteia at this point - and either that may change or her inaction will become problematic. (Again, I have a feeling Adrasteia is going to become just as important as Moia in the short term.)

Moving on over, there's an ambassador to ASGARNIA - which is probably indicative that Adrasteia's position isn't "Queen of Asgarnia, seated in Falador" (leaving room for some juicy "where is king vallance" inquiries - who has had Sir Amik, Saradomin himself, and now Addie hold power from presumably his castle...) and more so "ruler of all the human realms who worship my father." - I expect her to be the most hands on should the conflict spread to her current region of residence.

Then there's KANDARIN - which I think will be interesting as we give King Thoros his first real conflict to navigate.

and finally - not-Saradominist MENAPHOS.
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The intermediate upcoming storyline is indeed Misthalin, followed by Age of Chaos later next year, as Mod Jack told us in several his Design Livestreams.

We are going to deal with Moia's attack on Misthalin in the next chapter, this shouldn't be a doubt. However, it is not going to be years before we get to the stories of the universe ending threats Rasial told us.

Remember though, suppose we start the Age of Chaos storylines next year, it probably will just show us the tips of the icebergs, like the prehistoric events we are likely going to find out from the Daemonheim Digsites as well as other Necromancy content. It will be like us traversing the Desperate Times array of stories for 3 years before we finally getting to the final confrontation with the Elders 3 years later.

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