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In total, that makes Moia's entourage consist of 5 Mahjarrat, a Demon, a Werewolf, and a phantom whose body can be found in Daemonheim.

I do want to point out again - Moia seems to be invested in the preservation of Mahjarrat life given the remarks made in 'Battle of Forinthry'. She also seems like the type to actually -honor- agreements like liberating the werewolves - and she still holds Avaryss captive. There's a lot of interesting story threads to be unraveled just by looking at the characters who witnessed Moia's ascension alone.

The fact that we're sticking around Misthalin at the start of next year, following that comment, seems to be a precursor - a "In the next season of RuneScape, Forinthry is attacked again, this time by an opponent with far more cunning. Will the adventurer beat back the charge? What other details emerge on the royal family and the kingdom during this struggle? And will Zemouregal escape the player's hold? TUNE IN NEXT TIME!" kind of way.
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05-Dec-2023 05:40:54 - Last edited on 05-Dec-2023 05:42:09 by H 1 L D A

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The Forinthry season is over. The Duke of Forinthry et al came out victory. We celebrated it with a grand feast, even before we started to celebrate Christmas. Zemo is the biggest sore loser. Not only is he a slave of the shadow Domina. His own slave Vorkath turned against him. He is now the zoo animal in Fort Frointhry.

While Fort Forinthry is in peace now. the next waves of construction there will more like be municipal construction. A municipal GE and a player owned castle may be on Bill's Christmas list already. We can have a zoo there too, remastered from the 2002 Ardougne Zoo where we can put Zemo in cage, or have him share it with monkeys so we can feed them bananas. :D

Let's not forget Bilrach is also a slave of the shadow. He is no longer the once powerful Mahjarrat. Khazard et al are just losers without much to show in meaningful RS3 stories. Khazard is even a bigger sore loser than Zemo perhaps as farmers totalluy ruined their business long ago. Let's also not forget Khazard et al won't follow the shadow voluntarily. I guess they are probably in hiding now after seeing the demise of Zemo and Bilrach.

A very important fact H I L D A missed is there are far NPC on Gielinor than they listed. It is just in a virtual world developers have limited time and resources to put only the few meaningful ones in the stories. For instance, we knew hundreds of Mahjarrat came to Gielinor, and only a handful of them are known. Although there was beliefs the rest have died because they missed the Rituals of the Mahjarrat but as the story unfolded, the Ritual was just Seren's plot. Mahjarrat don't need the Ritual to survive. As such, the likes of Tridine have totally avoided wars they didn't appreciate for Ages.

Now think, when the shadow Domina threatens to destroy the universe in Rasial's Prophecy, even if all those Mahjarrat come out of hiding to fight, which side do you think they will be on? :)

05-Dec-2023 18:13:24

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Goodness, it's like you didn't even complete 'Succession' with that response.

> In the Zamorakian Civil War, Bilrach was the one "in charge" of the Mahjarrat faction following Zamorak's banishment.

> Moia went on a concerning murder spree of some guards in the Wilderness that triggered Adrasteia to ask the player and Trindine to investigate her actions - point one to Adrasteia, she correctly identified Moia is a much larger threat than Bilrach was before her ascension was even realized. This feels like it will be revisited.

> While Adrasteia was being coronated and formally accepting her father's designation as 'basilissa' of the human kingdoms, Moia engaged in a coronation of her own. One that was markedly highlighted by combat. After slaughtering 30 forgotten warriors and totally undoing her uncle Zemouregal's final Rejuvenation ritual, Bilrach - IN FRONT OF THE SAME ENTOURAGE I HIGHLIGHTED - lost in a duel with his former apprentice. Following that duel, that entourage stood behind Moia as they did Bilrach prior (save for Zemo, who was still doubled over from being made an example in front of his peers) In front of Moia lay the defeated Bilrach, and in the foreground were more Forgotten Warriors, kneeling before her. Notably, the entourage behind her wasn't kneeling.

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All of that means that through combat, Moia had earned the respect of the Zamorakian Mahjarrat. There's no indication that because Zemo and Bilrach were made into examples, the the other Zamorakian Mahjarrat have done anything like flee, denounce Moia, or abandon her ranks since.

Many of them - as well as the non-Mahjarrat - have personal quests and ambitions of their own. I could see Hazeel and General Khazard (and perhaps Jerrod) expand this new chaotic battlefront to Kandarin, I could see Morytania become involve, testing the strength of the Misthalinian-Morytanian alliance.

Before that though, we only have knowledge from Mod Jack's livestream - still in Misthalin.
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06-Dec-2023 09:54:54

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If you think they are going to have the player lock a Mahjarrat in the basement, then have their enemy say "Hey, other Mahjarrat, isn't it important that we preserve every Mahjarrat life?" in a cutscene away from the Fort, that that is the end all be all for Fort Forinthry - you're being silly.

1. I fully expect Moia to try and reclaim Zemouregal.

2. I fully expect the player to try and get more information out of Zemouregal.

3. There still has yet to be any payoff for revealing Queen Ellamaria is the Raptor.

4. Fort Forinthry, strictly due to its location, protects the rest of Misthalin from invasion, and is less "established" than Edgeville (and certainly Varrock) when it comes to fortifications.

5. The Fort was recently besieged, and while we saw the rebuild, it isn't necessarily known if the Zamorakians know we can build walls in split seconds' time.

6. Mod Jack said the next series is focused on Misthalin. Fort Forinthry
is a part of Misthalin
, and one would assume that the quest will still feature recognition of the player's title and influence, especially after their successful defense of the fort against Zemouregal and Vorkath.
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06-Dec-2023 10:03:23

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^^
Good that you knew to put about Zemo, Bilrach and such in PAST TENSE. They had hardly any powers left now after the Succession quest. Moia earned no respects from anybody or else the others wouldn't signal themselves as slaves by calling her Domina.

Moia isn't really the half Mahjarrat since 'Til Death Do Us Apart years ago. It was the shadow controlling and acting through them.

We know the shadow is going to destroy the universe. Who will respect the shadow and help them to destroy the universe, meaning themselves included?

You can expect whatever you think about Zemo and other slaves, but there is no evidence in the stories the shadow Domina cares about them. They are just distractions and the next and bigger distractions are Bilrach attacking Mistalin, and then the even bigger distraction may come from Moia attacking Gielinor. Barring even bigger distractions and more time needed for the shadow to prepare the bughead demigod for the grand Ritual, we are going to have to deal with the shadow in the Age of Chaos quest later next year.

While the shadow Domina is buying more time from their distractions, it may actually work out giving the World Guardian more time to reassemble the even bigger troops too, because hardly any NPCs want the shadow to destroy the universe with them in the process. It is like all fractions united to defend the Elder Eggs in the EGW even they didn't care or like the others.

Gielinor, under the leadership of the World Guardian is well prepared for wars. We have built great foundations and resources for the next 20 years. We have been in tough situations like the EGW and came out victorious. At the very least, we have no worries of farmers ruining our life, unlike Khazard. More importantly, we don't need to rely on illusions to pretend us to be huuuugeee (TM) to try to fool the world, we just have to come up as ourselves and be really huge together like we were in EGW, 'Till Death Do Us Apart, World Events etc. We have been there!

06-Dec-2023 22:25:02 - Last edited on 06-Dec-2023 22:49:36 by Dilbert2001

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You're still reading ahead, assuming you are following the right trajectory of the story in the first place. Jagex doesn't want a story similar in stakes to the Elder God Wars right now.

You're also incorrectly interpreting the honorific "Domina" as if it means "slaveowner" - it's more of a sign of royalty. An official title. You can respect a ruler without fearing them - and the Mahjarrat have hardly had to fear Moia until very recently. That being said - the only Mahjarrat that have put themselves in hot water with her are Zemouregal and Bilrach, and the only other entourage member to use the title for Moia is Vengeance.

You were probably more right about the title being meaningful to the garrison of warriors in Daemonheim than you are it being meant to assume she's got a leash on every one of her followers.

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Here's a situation with 'Til Death Do us Part that I struggle with.

If we're assuming something happened to Moia in that encounter, why is it that Jagex made the decision to make a seasonal event they never repeated be what imparts that lore about her? That's a very FOUNDATIONAL change that any player should be able to understand later on in her future, but if they missed the event - they're not going to get that information.

I do not think that Moia is being manipulated. She's just an incredibly awesome NPC who has become quite powerful in her own right (probably via the portals she got energy from during Nadir - which is also somewhat related to Xau-Tak as it pertains to Daemonheim.)

If this ends up being a "Xau-Tak is here to finally threaten the universe!" story, I would hope that they at least allow the player to play through stories involving Moia (who is arguably in contention for best female character in the game right now) and her entourage, and Adrasteia (who seems to be a chief rival of Moia's) first.
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"You're still reading ahead, assuming you are following the right trajectory of the story in the first place. Jagex doesn't want a story similar in stakes to the Elder God Wars right now."


I am not reading anything ahead, as Jagex didn't write anything from what's coming ahead. They clearly told us the shadow is seeking to destroy the universe through Rasial and Necromancy. They never wrote anything about this story is anything "similar in stakes to theElder God Wars". And they never said or wrote anything "right now". They said the next Misthalin storyline will start early next year, followed by Age of Chaos later in the year.

"If we're assuming something happened to Moia in that encounter, why is it that Jagex made the decision to make a seasonal event they never repeated be what imparts that lore about her?"


Event are lore based content too, very much so in RS3 than quests in many cases. Don't you know World Events 1 to 3 brought far more significant updates to RS3 like the deaths of Bandos and Tuska? We even got a whole new continent with key full featured content like raids with the dead of Tuska.

I believe most players know of Jagex's plot of Xau-Tak with Moia, despite of you reluctance in accepting the truth. Even the RS Wiki has mentioned it:

"Since the tainted shard mentions Moia in a sinister manner when fully charged, Xau-Tak was expected to be behind the event. "


https://runescape.wiki/w/Moia#Succession

Don't you know the "portal" from Nadir, and in that respect everything from Daemonheim are related to Xau-Tak? Bilrach and Moia's "powers" also came from Xau-Tak. As Bilrach mentioned something like the closer he delved deeper closer to the destination (the Rift), the more sensed and was overwhelmed by its powers, and more insane he became.

Zamorakian Mahjarrat are all powerless slaves now. In the end they either vanish or have to turn to the World Guardian for help like Arrav.

07-Dec-2023 16:58:32

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I would argue that the World Events weren't the greatest idea when it comes to imparting lore beyond them either.

> You would need to locate NPCS in game without prompt to see who won the Battles of Lumbridge/Bird and Beast events.

> Tuska's death is irrelevant, because she was killed by Vorago, a member of the Godless - a group that has no representation at all in regards to lore beyond this event, and this doesn't leave any meaningful impact on the story. Mazcab exists on a entirely different plane of existence and it doesn't correlate to much lore in any stories here at all.

Zemouregal and Bilrach didn't vanish, neither have they turned to us for help yet. Just because the other Mahjarrat have been absent doesn't mean they have suddenly become powerless.
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08-Dec-2023 03:02:14

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"I would argue that the World Events weren't the greatest idea when it comes to imparting lore beyond them either."


You can't argue with lore and stories, as this is what almost every long running and still very successful MMORPG are doing.

Whether you liked it or not, lore and stories told us the shadow Domina Moia is no longer what she was years ago now. She is under the control of Xau-Tak as most players, including the RS Wiki, acknowledged.

Furthermore, the RS Wiki has shown us Bilrach is just a puppet at the end of the Battle of Forinthry quest:

"Back at Zamorak's hideout, a forgotten warrior informs Moia that Zemouregal's attack failed and he surrendered rather than risk death. Moia will be unsurprised that he tried to save his own life, but then reminds herself that the Mahjarrat are low in numbers and such needless death should be avoided.
She then addresses Bilrach, who has a strange purple aura around him and is now her puppet.
"

https://runescape.wiki/w/Battle_of_Forinthry

The shadow Domina's powers are proven to be too ruinous to the Zamorakian Mahjarrat who are totally out of prayers now. They can pretend how huuugggeeee they are but everybody knows they are just puppets and slaves in reality. Not just the Runescape universe, but perhaps the entire multiverse is laughing at them now. :D

08-Dec-2023 17:09:13

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I do think you miss read the wiki a bit.
They never confirm moia is undercontroll of xau-tak.

It only seems like moia is enslaving bilrach with some kind of purple power.

Nobody does say a thing about xau-tak.
Speculation is fine, but once again noting is confirmed. ;)

08-Dec-2023 17:51:35

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