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Dilbert2001
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Zemo is done. We can stick a fork to him. His role is just that of a clown behind bars taking torture and laughters from the Fort Guards for his failed illusions on how huugggeee he was ... in exchange for us sparing his life. Bilrach is also a non-factor, but he serves more purposes than Zemo... mainly because of his adventures and encounters in Daemonheim will give us enjoyable information. Bilrach is like the Archivists in Ungael and Memorial of Guthix.

Rasial's role can be similar to Guthix's. Both prepared the World Gudardian for the same purpose, only with different methods. As Rasial said, we will meet in a future age, after taking care of the Age of Chaos and universe ending threats first. I am not surprised we will meet Guthix in the future age too, and perhaps that where they actually came from.

The threat from the shadow we are dealing with is far beyond the scope of EGW. They are not just trying to destroy Gielinor like the Elder Gods so the threats are necessarily coming in the form of physical wars. At least, I don't forsee we going to all the oher known and unknown planes in our universe to fight wars. After all, even if there will be large scale wars like World Wars coming, all it will take is just a couple of weapon of mass destruction to end it in a matter of days. We already know there is an unknown Artifact in the yet to be found Dragonkin Castle in Daemonheim. Perhaps it is all we take to fend off the shadow and move onto the Future Age, without large scale of violence.

Being the Imperator and Domina of the Daemonehim creatures and the remaining couple of Zamorakian Mahjarrat cripples, "Moia" is not just an emporor or king as Zaros wanted to be. The subjects of "Moia" including Bilrach and the clown Zemo are calling themselves slaves. More on these Roman Empire titles later, as the Domina Code may carry far more insights on the forgotten ancient kingdom of shadow and dragonkin than they appear to be.

30-Nov-2023 17:59:01

Dilbert2001
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As the new storylines move forward, I can see uprising in Misthalin. There can be small scale of battles but no world ending wars. These are just distractions from "Moia" who take advantage of the departures of gods to build up their eventual universe ending ritual.

Practically, "Moia" has nothing much to gain from Misthalin as the Temple Knights have fallen under the influence of the Forstenhorn and left with their Zarosian demon boss. The mighty Elder Artifact The Crown of Saradomin is no longer there either. They have run their very last Ritual of the Mahjarrat. Zamorakian Mahjarrat have been obnoxious, pretending to be hugggeee and burning bridges left and right that they have nowhere to find allies. They are at a terminal stage, and fallen slaves to the shadow, and awaiting the Future Age to come.

30-Nov-2023 18:09:33

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I have an issue with saying Zemouregal and Bilrach are unimportant from this point forward because of how things have panned out.

> Moia has kept Bilrach alive in spite of the fact that she has a well deserved grudge against the Mahjarrat as a whole, and tells him to his face that keeping all Mahjarrat lives is important.

> The player has opted to keep Zemouregal alive when the opportunity to kill him has come at least once in their numerous face-offs. We kind of see some logic when the player tries to get information out of Zemouregal at the end of the quest. Even if you -ARE- right in that Moia has abandoned Zemouregal (and her dialogue in Battle of Forinthry suggests you are not, if you needed a reminder.) the player seemingly has incentive to risk leaving a Mahjarrat necromancer alive in the storm cellar in her place. Perhaps in the same way that Bilrach will offer us (I assume later on as we don't have access to him) information, there's still a song for the necromantic canary in our birdcage left to sing.

> You also have made no mention whatsoever of Hazeel, General Khazard, and Enakhra, which means that even without Moia there is a somewhat formidable contingent of Zamorakian Mahjarrat left to consider as a whole.

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While I can't say rebellion in Misthalin isn't impossible, it would be incredibly contrived at this point in the narrative.

> With the conflict remaining in Misthalin in the upcoming series' - the lives of Queen Ellamaria, King Roald, etc, are still very much in the balance.

> The differences between duchys of Misthalin were laid bare in Murder on the Border, but despite the petty behavior of the nobility, most of them were merely political. Edgeville's former objection to Forinthry (if you remember the late duke belittling our Fort shortly before his death) should have been addressed with Forinthry withstanding Zemo and Vorkath.

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> Lumbridge may not be the happiest, most well off place following the Battle of Gods that had taken place there, but one of the Gods (with probably more aid from the Basilissa) has tried to repay that debt at the start of the Age of Chaos.

> Lumford only really exists when employing scale-theory, so it's difficult to assess how much the threat of a coup can be measured there.

> Prior to all that, the player successfully had put down several demonic or necromantic charges on the seat of Varrock, and managed to turn a tense situation across the river Salve with Morytania into a fragile truce (albeit at the cost of the entire Myreque.), then was able to increase Misthalin's land holdings and establish a northern foothold on Forinthry.

From a certain point of view, Misthalin has never been stronger, despite the MYRIAD of outside threats it has had to deal with since the Fifth Age.
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01-Dec-2023 10:53:15

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Finally, they probably will NOT employ a WMD plot so soon - as that kind of stake-raising would be very contradictory to the stance that Jagex is trying to tell more focused narratives around beings of considerably less power than Elder Gods. Instead, Jagex will turn to more proxy conflicts for the time being.

How am I so confident? They introduced Adrasteia as a new ruler of all the human realms in the Legend of Zamorak series, and have yet to have the basilissa do anything of merit since.

Adrasteia already is set up to foil Moia perfectly. Saradomin is her literal father, where Zamorak was Moia's father figure. Both are trying to carry out their fathers' wills. With the attack on Fort Forinthry being green-lit by Moia to the point where she knew all about it - they -should- now be in direct conflict with one another. So much so now that if she's completely absent from the Misthalin storyline next year, it would be a head scratching decision to say the least.
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01-Dec-2023 11:01:32

Dilbert2001
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I don't think you realize Moia has no say on the life of Zemo. The Duke, ahem, that's us RS3 Fort Forinthry players dictate it. Keeping somebody alive or not doesn't mean a thing to their "importantcy". Guthix is dead, and who actually played and are interested in RS3 the past decade think he is not important? Meanwhile, all those wandering NPC in Lumbridge including Hans have been alive but are they really important to the stories and gameplays? ROFL!

Likewise, those Hazeel, Khazard, Enakhr et al are even smaller potatoes than Zemo and Bilrach. They have been the weaklings among the Mahjarrat all the time. Note that Hazeel was so lame even human farmers killed him,,, Zemo be pleased for as least he was captured by the Fort Guards, and not just farmers. :D

Rest assured, there can be over 9,000 living NPC in a fiction, but without ongoing stories and related content they are just absolutely unimportant. "More" "living" crap doesn't mean better. On the contrary, storied characters in the most successful fictions like Obi-wan are far more important dead than "alive". That said, Hazeel, Khazard and other weaklings have probably fled after the demise of Zemorak.

As I mentioned, the biggest threats don't always come from all out wars. A couple of atomic bombs ended the 6 year long WW2 within days. Likewise, EGW ended within days after Seren teleported the Elder Eggs to Iaia. Xau-Tak and the shadow will come to end the universe as previewed by Rasial, but this won't turn the game into Star Wars as we aren't going to every plane to fight wars. We will have the regular boss fights, battle events like Battle of the Monolith and perhaps more new combat content like the Ungael Arena style, but I don't see every NPC in the story being turned into cookie cutter trash "bosses". This is not the RS3 style of episodic content and bossing.

01-Dec-2023 18:25:16

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We are already told there will be the Misthalin and Age of Chaos storylines immediately after this year. We aren't going to fight Xau-Tak right away in the Misthalin storyline even when Mod Jack put up a hypothetical scenario when Xau-Tak woke up in Misthalin comes next January.

Xau-Tak may wake up in the Misthalin storyline but we won't fight him hand-on right away as the Moia isn't likely to finish the final Ritual by then. That's why she called for distractions, putting small potatoes like Zemo and Bilrach in their own jeopardy.

The Misthalin stories will be more diplomatic and narrative, although with battles, they won't be universe ending yet... but when the Age of Chaos joins in mid year perhaps, like when Necromancy adjoined the Fort Forinthry season, the shadow chants will shift into high gear. By then we will have enough information relating the prehistoric Great Wars mentioned by Bilrach, and how the Dragonkin ended it... but before that we will need to follow the stories of the flight of the Dragonkin... how they went to the king of shadow.. how that changed the entire First Age histories... and how the young dragonkin like Kerapac and Krannon set their stage in Daemonheim Castle, and subsequently followed the footprints of their ancestors down the eastern coastline into Everlight and eventually Senntisten and the Mysterious Monolith.

Oh! Remember Zaros and his offer to the "rulers" on the other side of the Monolith? I probably will hear that saga again with the Age of Chaos storyline.

01-Dec-2023 18:35:11

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Zemo behind bars also brought back the memories of the monkeys in the Ardougne Zoo since 2002. The monkeys there really don't add much to the sorry, but I guess some people still go to zoos to see the smelly animals. Zemo the Zamorakian Mahjarrat is as done as Zamora and is now just a slave of Domina Moia. The Duke of Fort Forinthry is just doing him a favor to let him be the money that entertains the RS3 players going forward instead of a dead monkey slave to the shadow.

04-Dec-2023 19:31:34

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Out of curiosity - I re-watched the ending of 'Succession' because I wanted to make sure certain characters really were there for Moia's coup (again, speculating about them at all if they weren't would be less than scholarly.) After it was successful, coupled with knowledge we got from 'Battle of Forinthry', here's who is a part of Moia's entourage.

BILRACH

The Mahjarrat responsible for locating Zamorak's hideout. While I don't agree that Zemouregal *yet* or the other Mahjarrat are enslaved by Moia - it's notable to point out that Bilrach is a vanquished foe in direct combat with her. Bilrach seemed to be bound in place by a blue aura when he was revealed to be still alive in BoF.

ZEMOUREGAL

The other Mahjarrat in Moia's entourage that is below water in favor with her due to threatening her in 'Succession' only to be embarrassed when she undid the effects of the final Ritual of Rejuvenation, and potentially moreso if Moia were able to reclaim him after his failure at Fort Forinthry.

NYMORA

Also probably in low regard is the demon, Nymora, due to fighting on the opposite side during the Civil War that proceeded Moia's rise to power. If Avaryss were to be released from Moia's diabulous, it would be reasonable to assume Nymora is a candidate to turncoat.

ENAKHRA

Enakhra's last interaction in the lore was abandoning Azzanadra and his team of Gielinor's finest magic users at the Glacor Front during 'Extinction', but she is in fact present when Moia usurps Bilrach in 'Succession'. We know that she's got something of a love for Zamorak that sits between a higher power and a crush - and that she's come to actually like Gielinor (although maybe not as much as Zamorak, due to her endangering her fellow Glacor-Front mages.) That abandonment was probably alongside Hazeel, Khazard, and Zemouregal, and probably is related to Zamorak leaving the Cathedral early.

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HAZEEL

Hazeel was also at Senntisten for the Elder God Wars - and in 'Children of Mah' we hear that he would like to evolve his cult (notably giving him reason to return to his origin point in RS - Kandarin!) and that he actually turned himself into a Mahjarrat - he's in reality the last remaining Mahserrat, which had been thought to be extinct due to their choice to forgo taking part in Rituals.

GENERAL KHAZARD

Khazard is the youngest Mahjarrat, and we actually already know that he is the son of Zamorak and a deceased Mahjarrat named Palkeera (one of three known female Mahjarrat, the others being Enakhra and Trindine.) Khazard was the Mahjarrat tasked by Zamorak to steal the Eye of Het during the namesake quests.

JERROD

While much more known for his exploits in the RuneScape novels - Jerrod's history in game is limited to being stolen property of one very rich man in Ardougne, Lord Handelmort. Jerrod's personal motivation however is that he is a werewolf, which as a race are subject to tyranny at the hands of the Morytania Vampires. Jerrod joined up with Bilrach in the Civil War under the condition that the Zamorakian Remnants attack Morytania in order to liberate the wolves. Pretty cool pretense for a future dustup. He's a playable pawn in Kandarin -and- potentially very soon, as the group needs to sack Misthalin before reasonably reaching Morytania.

VENGEANCE

Vengeance, the Forgotten Warrior, has been a regular figure as of late. At present, she's an undead member of Bilrach's (now Moia's) forces from Daemonheim. She's apparently got a slayer level high enough to dispatch the Magister, as she did so easily during the Civil War. Kaela (the name of the body that last harbored Vengeance before she died in Daemonheim due to poisoning via another adventurer) is actually encountered as recently as 'Remains of the Necrolord', in which she reveals that she 'poured her spite into' the phantom that became Vengeance.
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