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Dilbert2001
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the lore form the combined quests were very interesting and overall nice story.
Its only sad to see they made it into this much separating quests 2 quests were enough my opinion.

I do not think the ending is for shadowing a end off the world/ universe situation.
This because Jagex already told us after Twilight of the Gods they wanted to stop making even worse situations.
Things like end of the world/ universe are not gone happen in some years.


Battle of Forinthry wasn't planned to be a quest originally. We are probably getting the lore part at the end of it as a BONUS prior to the grand release of the Misthalin storyline early next year. We should be glad the RS3 team is ahead of their schedule.

We are going to get the Misthalin storyline first, and the thre Age of Chaos storyline will adjoin sometime after. Mod Jack has told us in his design streams.

What "even worse situation"? We know Gielinor and the universe will always be here. All those world or universe ending threats are here and will continue to be here for the forever stories in RS3 just for story telling and entertainment purposes perhaps in comics, novels, TV series or movies in the future too. We can only be in better situations.

26-Nov-2023 18:20:07

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I'm going to employ Occam's razor here.

Your doom comes from within...


- could very easily apply to Zemouregal himself, who is now in our custody, WITHIN the confines of Fort Forinthry. If there's anyone who is the most confident in Zemouregal's ability to deliver doom, even when rendered incapacitated - it would be himself.

There's isn't anything alluded to from this quest specifically that pertains to political upheaval in Misthalin - and in Dead and Buried the stuff you are attributing from Ellamaria's dreams seems like a reach that has yet to be fortified by further evidence. (That certainly isn't a dismissal on my part. The next Fort Forinthry series could still give your theory that evidence!)

In your assessment, Dilbert, you attribute Zemouregal as an outsider along with the next contestant here - but simple awareness of where Zemouregal happens to be following this quest can make him "the doom within", whether its a red herring or not has yet to be determined.

and without!


- indicates that there are threats beyond Fort Forinthry besides Zemouregal, which I feel we can safely attribute to Moia and the rest of the Zamorakians when also acknowledging other dialogue from this quest. Yes, Zemouregal makes an error in telling us that is isn't acting alone and that Moia herself has intention to attack us as well.

Let's revisit the special title given to Adrasteia by her father, Saradomin. "Bassilisa" happens to be a Hellenist (Greek) term that is essentially the equivalent of Empress. This contrasts quite nicely to "Imperator" and "Domina" because those terms are Roman (which is probably very intentional, given that there are still a handful of Zarosian Mahjarrat out there.) Also - The Greeks and Romans happened to be two rival empires at one point in history, before Rome toppled Ancient Greece.

As for Vorkath - I like where you're going with that one. :)
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27-Nov-2023 05:15:40

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I want to acknowledge what Qwis was alluding to, because I think we have ourselves a really good time to acknowledge that having a "Godless God War" sprawl over multiple proxy conflicts would be quite interesting without having to invoke higher powers so quickly after the end of the Elder God Wars.

Phase 1 - Zemouregal (and I guess later, Moia) attempts to sack Misthalin, the closest human kingdom to the Wilderness/Zamorak's Hideout beneath Daemonheim. The former attacks Fort Forinthry with an undead dragon and fails, and the later attempts a rescue mission (which Moia seems to imply when asking Bilrach (!!) about keeping Mahjarrat lives intact) that may also come with much more destructive futures for the Misthalinians.

subsequent phases:

Asgarnia - This will likely be your classic Black Knights/White Knights struggle, and if Moia were smart, she would try draw out the conflict in Misthalin long enough to keep Fort Forinthry and beyond occupied when activating the Black Knights in this region. The goal here, would be to limit how much Adrasteia, who is seated in Falador, can have an impact on the greater war. (the Black Knights tend to be humans - who might be somewhat expendable firepower for Moia here - almost certainly so compared to Mahjarrat.)

Kandarin - I think Hazeel, regardless of whether you sided with his cultists or the Carnillean family, still yet draws breath and has extensive knowledge of the area. On the other hand, Kandarin has seen King Tyras killed by some dummy adventurer, and his brother Lathas sacked in a rebellion. I don't know where Ardougne's war coffers sits after that kind of recent past - so it may be another good idea for Moia to send out Hazeel and Khazard to their long-time home region to pin down more enemies there. This also reopens the opportunity to revisit the Gnomes, should Jagex wish to meld Arposandra into current affairs (I don't think this last bit is likely.)

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27-Nov-2023 05:30:49

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the desert - The Kharidian desert has two major storylines going for it. That of the Desert Pantheon and our current struggles against Amascut (which I feel are probably best left decoupled from the new Saradomin/Zamorakian conflict) and the site of the war between that pantheon and Zaros, which introduced the Mahjarrat to Gielinor and seemed to house many of them - including Enakhra - who is among Moia's ranks today. It's the Zarosian influence that fits quite well however, as there are a handful of remaining Zarosian Mahjarrat to consider (Wahiesitel, Akthanakos - a rival to Enakhra, and Trindine - who happens to be a double agent for both Adrasteia -and- Moia right now!) Moia's sudden interest in preserve Mahjarrat life would be an interesting way to explore this region further. Also, we know that Azzanadra was once imprisoned here.
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27-Nov-2023 05:36:45

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So, let's breakdown down the conflicts I think Jagex is likely to explore - without raising some stakes until a big time finale in which Moia (or Adrasteia!) falls and one side can claim victory.

High Commanders - Moia (Zamorakians)/Adrastiea (Human Kingdoms)

"X-Factors" - The player/Former World Guardian/Duke(chess/-ux) of Fort Forinthry, Trindine, possibly Kharshai (a Mahjarrat with no allegiance to a god.)

Proxy conflicts:

Zemouregal vs. Misthalin

Black Knights vs. Asgarnia

Hazeel and Khazard vs. Kandarin

Enakhra vs. Akthanakos and Wahiesitel in the desert.
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27-Nov-2023 05:45:11

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Here's what Moia probably hopes to achieve in such a string of conflicts

1.
Neutralize the player EARLY.
The player character has a personal investment in Misthalin due to their claim to the lands of Fort Forinthry. She seems to respect the player's abilities enough to focus on keeping them pinned in one place on the map. If she can keep up the pressure on the Misthalin front (which is probably going to occur in the next season) she might be able to free up more reserves for other areas of Adrasteia's control.

2.
Take advantage of the expanse of Adrasteia's obligations.
Once the player is pinned down, the next thing Moia can do is begin to open up multiple fronts which need to be defended, preventing Adrasteia from moving troops to specific areas that may need them. Kandarin is a signficant distance away - of a mountain range, from Adrasteia. If she can pin down the neighboring Misthalinians in their own affairs and then block off Kandarin, Asgarnia won't be able to receive aid from anyone, meaning the Black Knights can launch their attack. All of this activity means that Adrasteia won't be able to move too far from Falador in order to counterattack, and the hope would be that the player is also stuck and can't move either.

3.
Overwhelm the Zarosian Mahjarrat and get them to submit to her cause.
Simply put, Moia hopes to be able to show ample force and coordination after Zaros, Zamorak, and Azzanadra had left Gielinor in order to reunite the Mahjarrat - which may be her ultimate goal. For her - a half-breed - it would spit in the face of her father Lucien if she were able to manage such a feat, and she's well on her way to making it happen.

If all three things happen, it is very likely Moia wins her war with Adrasteia, changing the face of RuneScape significantly, without having to invoke any substantially higher power to make the stakes spike like they have in previous stories.
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27-Nov-2023 05:57:46

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Roles for X-Factors:

The player: "the trickster" - We ourselves, are very, very, very difficult to restrain. we have friends in nearly every place, and we tend to be underestimated pretty regularly. I have a strong feeling that however the Misthalin storyline ends (bloodless, very bloody, what have you), Fort Forinthry will still be standing, and we'll buy ourselves some time to make some noise wherever else the conflict arises.

Trindine: "the double agent" - The discovery of whether "Anne Dimitri" is truly loyal to her basillisa or if Trindine is trying to ultimately help Moia will be a very entertaining thing to track in these next series'. It's important to note that Trindine to this point has simultaneously provided Adrasteia with information on Moia's movements, while also having provided Moia with the means to win the Zamorakian Civil War over the demonic faction.

Kharshai: "the interloper" - There are two things that are very interesting about Kharshai here. Firstly, he's not affiliated with Zarosian or Zamorakian leaning whatsoever, much to the chagrin of his fellow Mahjarrat. Secondly, he resides in the northern frost of the Fremminik Province, which could provide one side with additional firepower in a pinch. If one side is in need of a new source for troops - a bunch of warmongering barbarians led by a Mahjarrat might be a valuable asset to come across at some point.
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27-Nov-2023 06:11:05

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Zemo was clearly talking about the doom of their opponents, not himself. Moia and company are clearly aiming at not just Fort Forinthry. Note that she called up Bilrach to attack MISTHALIN next, not Fort Forinthry anymore. This clearly indicated Zemo's involvement in Fort Forinthry was just a distraction. Moia isn't even care about Zemo and she migh have expected Zemo to not just failed but died but she certainly doesn't expect much from the small potatoes like Zemo and Bilrach.

Bilrach's attack on Misthalin next will also be a distraction, to buy them time to finish the ritual to summon Xau-Tak back to our universe, which they failed twice in our recent history -Bilrach's Ritual in the Daemonheim Dungeon and the Strange Power incident, and 'Til Death Do Us Apart in the 2018 Halloween.

The next ritual will most certainly involve the sacrificing of Scabaras, much like the sacrifcing of the last of the Chelon-Mah in Bilrach's Daemonheim Strange Power incident and the attempt sacrificing of Moia in 'Til Death Do Us Apart.

Note that the current Moia, the Domina and Imperator now known as, are not just a Mahjarrat or Zamorackina anymore, evidently so as Forgotten Warriors belong to neither.

The new and changed Moia is currently closely related to Necromancy and "the shadow" Rasial told us about, and of course, we will know more about "the future age" we will meet again with him, after we take care of Moia and the shadow. It may be time to talk about how the recent quests and lore show us about the prehistoric First Age Great Wars in a couple of days. :)

27-Nov-2023 17:28:33

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Ooohoho, hold on there. Slow it down.

Is Zemouregal dead?


No, Domina. He surrendered.


Of course he did. Still, there are few enough of us left that -EVERY- death is to be avoided. Isn't that right... Bilrach?


That's not only just a huge reveal that Bilrach hasn't died, but also a hint that Moia - for whatever reason - is intent on keeping him that way. She also outright says that due to the small remainder of Mahjarrat left, its important somehow to preserve every Mahjarrat life - including Zemouregal's.

If we're not done with Fort Forinthry or Misthalin, the existing reason the quests have given us so far include:

1. Ellamaria moonlighting as the Raptor and taking up double residence in Varrock and Fort Forinthry.

2. We're now keeping a Mahjarrat captive - one that Moia has some yet-to-be-explained-reason to value his life.

I'm pretty confident a jailbreak attempt will be made in the future.
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As for Zemouregal, I promise you, it's Zemouregal claiming that he himself will be the player's doom. Let's use the context machine again.

When Moia finishes-...... No! I cannot be tricked so easily!


I almost had you though!


You think you can hold me here? A will such as mine will never be contained. Your doom comes within as well as without!


[The player strengthens the necromantic wards on Zemouregal's cell]

I think we're quite safe from you.


Curse you!


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Where is Zemouregal now? WITHIN Fort Forinthry.

Where is Moia now? OUTSIDE (or as he says, WITHOUT) of Fort Forinthry.

Zemouregal isn't talking about his own doom - he's talking about PERSONALLY bringing doom to his opponents. He IS - OUR doom within.
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