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Jack Flac
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Jack Flac

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snip Look. I really really really really really really really encourage you for once, to stop with your grandstanding, and take a look at the actual state of the game, and what day to day players truly experience. It is not like that at all. If you truly think that, you have a LOT to learn about how this game and it's combat and overall systems actually work. It just comes acrost to people who actually have experience with things that you are making up stuff to look smart. Stop, listen and think, for once. There are plenty of posts on this forum, on reddit, all over the place, that paint a story saying the exact opposite of what you keep saying over and over again. You really don't know what you are talking about, trust me. Leader of The Enemy ||
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25-Sep-2022 03:25:15

Loch Ars
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Man you don’t even read the thread .
No, I read every post before mine and still think Jagex made the right call here. People can still get these drops at a reasonable rate on low enrages. 1/96 with tier 4 luck for a roll on the signature drop table means that with 5-minute kills the expectation value is a signature drop every 8 hours or roughly a unique every week if you casually play a bit more than an hour every day.

25-Sep-2022 08:30:47

Robbycool
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I mean it has significantly decreased teamforming and participation for this boss. Which is a negative for me because I really enjoyed how active team forming was. Now there is next to none. I feel like jagex should be trying to increase participation for new content rather than decrease it. If they are trying to decrease the popularity of their content I would say yeah, they made the right choice. Just look at the numbers jamflex! You’ll see what I mean. bump

25-Sep-2022 09:07:23

Dilbert2001
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Man you don’t even read the thread .
No, I read every post before mine and still think Jagex made the right call here. People can still get these drops at a reasonable rate on low enrages. 1/96 with tier 4 luck for a roll on the signature drop table means that with 5-minute kills the expectation value is a signature drop every 8 hours or roughly a unique every week if you casually play a bit more than an hour every day.

Yes, you are right. Some of the "elitists" are the ones who have been complaining about dying toon often and asked for Death Cost Reduction. Perhaps they are good pvmers who have created a lot of guides but in the end, they may not be actually getting ahead of some noobs who can still make the gp and buy the endgame gear doing other not-so-elite-activities in RS3 too because there are plenty of ways for all non-elitists in RS3 to make significant gp.

Talking about luck, even a total newbie with membership has a chance to get the gp to buy many BiS gp thanks to Clue Scrolls. RS3 is not a game like WoW where BiS gear must be obtained in endgame raids and such, No elitism is needed in RS3 to get BiS gear.

25-Sep-2022 15:22:52

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If Jagex wants to implement bad luck implementation - look to glacors.

The staff of armadyl is produced from collecting shards of armadyl. Building up drops over time rewards persistence, instead of luck. Luck-based drops continuously punish others.. randomly. With shards of armadyl, you can feel progress each time you get the drop.

Punishing the part of the community that already isn't into PvM isn't a good idea.
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25-Sep-2022 23:53:25

Vaseth
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I was talking about story mode with the 1/500 - you know, that thing that gives you a 90 % damage reduction , so everyone is able to beat the quest and did not offer any rewards at all at the three predecessors of this dungeon. It's not 'great', but it is a 'viable'

viable? for anyone that has to do story mode, full run is taking them 45-60 minutes. one rare runs is therefore 500 hours.. That means the 3 bow parts will take you, taking into account other rare drops, and how common bow parts are in relation, around 15000 hours, and you call that "viable", for a GAME? for ONE ITEM? Just another of the "runescape should be a full time job" crew. Games have to be balanced, but they do not have to be balanced around no lifers, they should be balanced around casual players, you know, the ones that play FOR FUN

26-Sep-2022 11:47:38

Vaseth
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Man you don’t even read the thread .
No, I read every post before mine and still think Jagex made the right call here. People can still get these drops at a reasonable rate on low enrages. 1/96 with tier 4 luck for a roll on the signature drop table means that with 5-minute kills the expectation value is a signature drop every 8 hours or roughly a unique every week if you casually play a bit more than an hour every day.

Yes, you are right. Some of the "elitists" are the ones who have been complaining about dying toon often and asked for Death Cost Reduction. Perhaps they are good pvmers who have created a lot of guides but in the end, they may not be actually getting ahead of some noobs who can still make the gp and buy the endgame gear doing other not-so-elite-activities in RS3 too because there are plenty of ways for all non-elitists in RS3 to make significant gp.

Talking about luck, even a total newbie with membership has a chance to get the gp to buy many BiS gp thanks to Clue Scrolls. RS3 is not a game like WoW where BiS gear must be obtained in endgame raids and such, No elitism is needed in RS3 to get BiS gear.


more "play runescape as a job" mentality. Its a game. Its supposed to be fun. Grinding repetitive boring things to get decent gear because jagex would rather suck the e peens of the elite players who like getting rich to brag to their edates is just toxic and everyone outside of the elitist play as a full time job click realises this

And before you start, i only really play my iron account now, and i have BotLG and fsoa, i kill solak and aod, so im not "crying", i can do these things just fine, but i can still acknowledge that it is a toxic way to make a game. It should be about inclusivity, let the elitists have their 4k kill titles to fap over and make the drops balanced for all

26-Sep-2022 11:53:48

Rikornak
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I was talking about story mode with the 1/500 - you know, that thing that gives you a 90 % damage reduction , so everyone is able to beat the quest and did not offer any rewards at all at the three predecessors of this dungeon. It's not 'great', but it is a 'viable'

viable? for anyone that has to do story mode, full run is taking them 45-60 minutes. one rare runs is therefore 500 hours.. That means the 3 bow parts will take you, taking into account other rare drops, and how common bow parts are in relation, around 15000 hours, and you call that "viable", for a GAME? for ONE ITEM? Just another of the "runescape should be a full time job" crew. Games have to be balanced, but they do not have to be balanced around no lifers, they should be balanced around casual players, you know, the ones that play FOR FUN

It possibly might be a good idea to quote the entire statement, rather than ripping it out of context and thus falsify it. I'll even mark the core messages for you, since you seemingly were unable to grasp them.

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I was talking about story mode with the 1/500 - you know, that thing that gives you a 90 % damage reduction , so everyone is able to beat the quest and did not offer any rewards at all at the three predecessors of this dungeon. It's not 'great', but it is a 'viable' (
depends on how you understand that word - I see it as it can realistically happen from time to time
) possibility to see something special - there certainly are some posts on reddit with players showing off their drop they got while doing the quest.
It's obviously not intended to be farmed - otherwise loot chance wouldn't leap to 1/100 at 0 %.


Seemingly some players understand 'viable' as approximately 1/1 drops. My bad. Or did you literally stopped reading after where you ended my quote? Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
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26-Sep-2022 12:15:29 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2022 12:30:45 by Rikornak

Rikornak
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Imagine it or not - a GAME is supposed to played - or else they just could providing everyone a free dispenser for all equipment if this is the definition of FUN to you. And rather than adding new content this dispenser just could get the new things. I also just wonder how you get through the past 21 years of runescape, when you more often than not had to put effort into the GAME to obtain the best items - was that not FUN to you? A GAME also is about getting better and stepping up - otherwise you'll remain in the tutorial zone forever. Doubtfully you did. There also is nothing wrong remaining at something you'll feel comfortable with for a while. But there is a lot wrong if you demand the game's meta has to be adjusted for that.

I mean sure there obviously are players, that just want to soak up for a bit - but why the hell again do they need best in slot gear for that? And why is this suddenly now an issue? Not like at some point in the past, when best in slot equipment started to become unaffordable for the common folk.

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No, I read every post before mine and still think Jagex made the right call here. People can still get these drops at a reasonable rate on low enrages. 1/96 with tier 4 luck for a roll on the signature drop table means that with 5-minute kills the expectation value is a signature drop every 8 hours or roughly a unique every week if you casually play a bit more than an hour every day.

Quoting this, since this post has shown, that you hardly do not need to put in that much time. But I guess if you're trying to come up with half an hour of gameplay per week justifies you being among the big bois... Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
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26-Sep-2022 12:17:34 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2022 12:40:25 by Rikornak

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