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Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Downtime? Just because there is a longer cooldown solely to the safe cracking in the Rogue Castle doesn't mean there aren't other places to crack safes as well as gaining thieving xp.

I used a small cooldown window to do safecracking in Yanille as well as pickpocketing Rogue Captains. There is no downtime for me and really there isn't a big drop in xp/hr. But it's a massive drop in XP/hr for skillers.

Given that this is one of the only feasible methods of training Thieving as a skiller, it's a massive hit.

~A~

"Massive drop"? Please shows us how much.

How is this the "only feasible methods of training Thieving as a skiller" when we have Priffdinas elves and Crux Eqal Knights, as well as many other safecracking locations outside Rogue Castle (for instance, Zanaris where we actually may get higher xp/hr than Rogue Castle)?

14-Mar-2023 17:57:27

Nov

2003

A Cole

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"Massive drop"? Please shows us how much. Let's use some approximate numbers that shouldn't be too far off.

In AFK mode, it may take 60 seconds on average to loot a safe.

Once those 60 seconds are over, you used to have to wait 300 seconds for it to replenish.

Now you have to wait 600 seconds for it to replenish.

As there are 3 safes in the Rogues Castle, some of the wait time is taken up by looting the other safes. So in one round of safecracking, you take 3x 60 seconds to loot, and wait 300-(2x60)=180 seconds for the first safe to refill.

This gives a total of 360 seconds per round.

Applying the same maths to the new timer, this gives 660 seconds per round.

It is almost double. Hence it is almost half the rate.

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How is this the "only feasible methods of training Thieving as a skiller" when we have Priffdinas elves and Crux Eqal Knights, as well as many other safecracking locations outside Rogue Castle (for instance, Zanaris where we actually may get higher xp/hr than Rogue Castle)? Most skillers cannot access Priffdinas.

With this in mind, this means they cannot get access to the exoskeleton outfit, nor crystal mask (which itself has a Magic requirement). In order to be able to pickpocket high levelled targets, these are necessary.

Simply put, pickpocketing is completely broken without access to every boost.

Regarding higher XP rates at other safes, you may well be correct. If so, the Rogue Castle safes have just become completely dead content.

Can you see how unbalanced this update is now?

~A~

14-Mar-2023 21:05:32

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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You approximately is way way way way off. Usually it takes a little more than 2 minutes to crack all 3 chests in Rogue Castle. Before the update, the cooldown was 5 minutes. You would be wasting a lot of time getting no xp there anyway.

There are plenty of ways to train thieving in RS3. Priffdinas is just one way I used as an example because I like the more AFK-ish option. To get the most xp, actually players did it the less AFK way by going to other high xp safecracking loctaions. I mentioned Zanaris,. We can actually get more xp safecracking Zemouregal's fort.

15-Mar-2023 02:14:27

Nov

2003

A Cole

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Hence why I said "

may

take 60 seconds on average to

loot a safe

". Meaning it would take 180 seconds to loot all three - which is "a little more than 2 minutes to crack all 3 chests".

Priffdinas pickpocketing is obviously locked behind the quests. I'm talking about everything else that's locked behind the quest which allows pickpocketing everywhere else to be feasible. Try going to dwarven traders or crux eqal knights for a prolonged period without the boosts provided from the elven storyline and tell me there's nothing wrong.

Zemouregal's fort is also combat quest locked, so again, a no go for skillers. However, if it were an option, then again, why would we go back to Rogue's Castle?

~A~

15-Mar-2023 11:01:23

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Hence why I said "

may

take 60 seconds on average to

loot a safe

". Meaning it would take 180 seconds to loot all three - which is "a little more than 2 minutes to crack all 3 chests".

Priffdinas pickpocketing is obviously locked behind the quests. I'm talking about everything else that's locked behind the quest which allows pickpocketing everywhere else to be feasible. Try going to dwarven traders or crux eqal knights for a prolonged period without the boosts provided from the elven storyline and tell me there's nothing wrong.

Zemouregal's fort is also combat quest locked, so again, a no go for skillers. However, if it were an option, then again, why would we go back to Rogue's Castle?

~A~

With a 5 minute cooldown, we only gained 240k xp/hr sitting in Rogue Castle. It wasn't great xp even before this week's update. We could get more than double that rate in plenty of other places, low level ones included. For instance:

"Optimal speed Kandarin Safecracking procedure:

Teleport to Camelot using spell; loot both safes on ground floor of Camelot Castle
Teleport to Ardougne using spell; loot both upper floor building safes surrounding Ardougne market. Skip Ardougne castle safes.
Teleport to Yanille using lodestone; loot ground-floor safe south of lodestone, and the upper-floor safe in the pub to the east.
Repeat.
This can provide up to 500,000 experience an hour. Clicking on the safes when they flash blue (for quicker experience), the player can gain up to 600,000 experience an hour."

https://runescape.wiki/w/Thieving_training

15-Mar-2023 16:04:32

Nov

2003

A Cole

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Hence why I said "

may

take 60 seconds on average to

loot a safe

". Meaning it would take 180 seconds to loot all three - which is "a little more than 2 minutes to crack all 3 chests".

Priffdinas pickpocketing is obviously locked behind the quests. I'm talking about everything else that's locked behind the quest which allows pickpocketing everywhere else to be feasible. Try going to dwarven traders or crux eqal knights for a prolonged period without the boosts provided from the elven storyline and tell me there's nothing wrong.

Zemouregal's fort is also combat quest locked, so again, a no go for skillers. However, if it were an option, then again, why would we go back to Rogue's Castle?

~A~

With a 5 minute cooldown, we only gained 240k xp/hr sitting in Rogue Castle. It wasn't great xp even before this week's update. We could get more than double that rate in plenty of other places, low level ones included. For instance:

"Optimal speed Kandarin Safecracking procedure:

Teleport to Camelot using spell; loot both safes on ground floor of Camelot Castle
Teleport to Ardougne using spell; loot both upper floor building safes surrounding Ardougne market. Skip Ardougne castle safes.
Teleport to Yanille using lodestone; loot ground-floor safe south of lodestone, and the upper-floor safe in the pub to the east.
Repeat.
This can provide up to 500,000 experience an hour. Clicking on the safes when they flash blue (for quicker experience), the player can gain up to 600,000 experience an hour."

https://runescape.wiki/w/Thieving_training Fair enough. Looks like the Wilderness Safes have always been dead content then.

Thanks for your input.

~A~

15-Mar-2023 22:27:19

Aug

2021

Webmaster453

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Hence why I said "

may

take 60 seconds on average to

loot a safe

". Meaning it would take 180 seconds to loot all three - which is "a little more than 2 minutes to crack all 3 chests".

Priffdinas pickpocketing is obviously locked behind the quests. I'm talking about everything else that's locked behind the quest which allows pickpocketing everywhere else to be feasible. Try going to dwarven traders or crux eqal knights for a prolonged period without the boosts provided from the elven storyline and tell me there's nothing wrong.

Zemouregal's fort is also combat quest locked, so again, a no go for skillers. However, if it were an option, then again, why would we go back to Rogue's Castle?

~A~

With a 5 minute cooldown, we only gained 240k xp/hr sitting in Rogue Castle. It wasn't great xp even before this week's update. We could get more than double that rate in plenty of other places, low level ones included. For instance:

"Optimal speed Kandarin Safecracking procedure:

Teleport to Camelot using spell; loot both safes on ground floor of Camelot Castle
Teleport to Ardougne using spell; loot both upper floor building safes surrounding Ardougne market. Skip Ardougne castle safes.
Teleport to Yanille using lodestone; loot ground-floor safe south of lodestone, and the upper-floor safe in the pub to the east.
Repeat.
This can provide up to 500,000 experience an hour. Clicking on the safes when they flash blue (for quicker experience), the player can gain up to 600,000 experience an hour."

https://runescape.wiki/w/Thieving_training From the same page

Staying at the Rogue's Castle safes and pickpocketing rogue captains during safe cooldowns provides ~500,000 experience per hour.

So it used to be the same exp base with massively less effort.

15-Mar-2023 22:48:20

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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You can still pickpocket Rogue Captains during the cooldown now. It is gives more xp/hr than other thieving activities.

The more efforts we spend, the more rewards we get. It is only logical so. Actually we get even more xp/hr not from pickingpocketing rogue captains but by safecracking in other locations (e.g. Zanaris) as I mentioned.

15-Mar-2023 23:04:23

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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With a 5 minute cooldown, we only gained 240k xp/hr sitting in Rogue Castle. It wasn't great xp even before this week's update. We could get more than double that rate in plenty of other places, low level ones included. For instance:

"Optimal speed Kandarin Safecracking procedure:

Teleport to Camelot using spell; loot both safes on ground floor of Camelot Castle
Teleport to Ardougne using spell; loot both upper floor building safes surrounding Ardougne market. Skip Ardougne castle safes.
Teleport to Yanille using lodestone; loot ground-floor safe south of lodestone, and the upper-floor safe in the pub to the east.
Repeat.
This can provide up to 500,000 experience an hour. Clicking on the safes when they flash blue (for quicker experience), the player can gain up to 600,000 experience an hour."

https://runescape.wiki/w/Thieving_training Fair enough. Looks like the Wilderness Safes have always been dead content then.

Thanks for your input.

~A~

We could get 900k xp/hr according to the RS Wiki. Maybe a little less not but higher than 750k, still. If that was "dead content", all the RSC/RS2/OSRS thieving methods that gave no more than 300k xp/hr would be fossilized content.

15-Mar-2023 23:10:55

Nov

2003

A Cole

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^^
You can still pickpocket Rogue Captains during the cooldown now. It is gives more xp/hr than other thieving activities.

The more efforts we spend, the more rewards we get. It is only logical so. Actually we get even more xp/hr not from pickingpocketing rogue captains but by safecracking in other locations (e.g. Zanaris) as I mentioned. Which, as I mentioned before, is impossible for skillers.

The randomised obelisks makes leaving the Rogues Castle, or more accurately getting back to Rogues Castle, much more troublesome.

~A~

15-Mar-2023 23:20:44

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