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--Regardless, these priests may well have been repressed individuals with desires coming to dangerous fruition, which again proves the repression is dangerous. Also, the pope shouldn’t be immune to anything. He should not be above the law.

”My friends in real life aren't the ones to participate in such lengthy discussions, nor ones that require the level of thinking that ones of this nature do.”
--Actually, if I have these kinds of discussions everyday in real life, I will have died. I’m rather grateful I’m not like some others who have to debate on this subject every hour of the day on some internet forum. But yes, I do agree that it sharpens my otherwise degrading brain. However, if you're surrounded by Christians, you don't really have much to argue about!

05-Jun-2011 13:18:49

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I said at the beginning of the discussion and I believe throughout it that ****, ********, transgender, and ********* should have all the rights that straight people have, so those are my stances.
As for the recruitment patterns adopted by religions, I have not seen with my own eyes such methods adopted, but I am not going to doubt that they exist, because I'm sure they do.
I really have nothing else to say... so, thank you, I suppose.
EDIT: To make this post more useful...
I found that I enjoyed the story itself, but if I had to rate it in comparison to The Priceless, I liked The Priceless more.
One of the things that I did like about this story was how you painted Ronny as an immature, young child, and how he progressed through the novel. I can remember how much of a pest I was to my brother, or how I would get my brother in trouble out of my own immaturity, so I can see Ronny as being a real person.
I liked how quickly he was to rat his brother out, simply because he didn't like how Edward was in all ways the ideal child, and how it tore up not only him, but the rest of the castle, once Edward was sent away to prison.
I found this reading to be well worth the time, and I thank you for allowing me to read it. ^_^
I'll have to stop by your archive thread one time when I get the chance.

05-Jun-2011 13:25:08 - Last edited on 05-Jun-2011 13:38:44 by [#R4EOGJ2FY]

Englishkid62

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“As for the recruitment patterns adopted by religions, I have not seen with my own eyes such methods adopted, but I am not going to doubt that they exist, because I'm sure they do.”
--You should not be so quick to believe me :P . Find out for yourself!

“I found that I enjoyed the story itself, but if I had to rate it in comparison to The Priceless, I liked The Priceless more.”
--You’re the second or the third to have preferred The Priceless over this one. I guess The Priceless offered a vague and highly interpretable moral, whereas this is much more concrete, sharp and sometimes unpleasant :P . Or maybe it’s just Kipplin pwns.

“One of the things that I did like about this story was how you painted Ronny as an immature, young child, and how he progressed through the novel. I can remember how much of a pest I was to my brother, or how I would get my brother in trouble out of my own immaturity, so I can see Ronny as being a real person.”
--Since I have no brother, I can’t really get one into trouble – but it sounds awfully fun, from your descriptions! I wish I had a brother on whom I can perform all manners of pranks … :P
“I liked how quickly he was to rat his brother out, simply because he didn't like how Edward was in all ways the ideal child, and how it tore up not only him, but the rest of the castle, once Edward was sent away to prison.”
--Yeah. I think the older Ronny though felt he needed to justify his ratting out, and so he may have exaggerated both parties, making himself more immature and selfish while Edward more perfect. But I guess the magnitude of the consequences of our actions depended on how many people it affected.

“I found this reading to be well worth the time, and I thank you for allowing me to read it.”
--Well, I thank you for tolerating the story, despite disagreeing with its contents. It’s a rare feat, being able to appreciate something that’s not in your view.

06-Jun-2011 10:36:28

Venmi

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Review for Brotherly Love by Englishkid62
SPOILER ALERT! (For all future readers)
Spelling and Grammar/ Organization -- 16/25 -- Once again, English, your grammar, particularly with commas, is not that sound. I would read more about the uses of commas and how they can’t hold their own as a sentence divider. Also, they are not used to pause everything. I see that so often in both your stories, and this list is even bigger than the list that I compiled in the Priceless.
Before we talk about that, I am wondering about your dialogue usage. It is a little different than in The Priceless. You put commas and periods outside the quotations in The Priceless, but inside for Brotherly Love? Something sounds weird here. You said the way you did it in The Priceless was correct in England, but now it’s different? Explanations please.
Now, onto the errors.
“Even when depressed, so very depressed, to commit suicide required the kind of courage he knew he did not possess.”
The pause “so very depressed* I feel would be better surround by a dash mark. ???
“No one told him why he was important, or why he must live on, though at heart he’d much rather there be a reason.”
The comma after “important” should be removed. And this sentence sounds weird to me. I think it needs to be restructured because it’s not that he prefers reason. In this case, it seems like he strives for it. There’s no, “though he prefers,” in this case. How does this sound?
“No one told him why he was important or why he must live on. He strived for reason—reason why he is alive, reason why he has to go on.”
The structure may not fit as well, but you get the general idea. We can go back and forth for days on this one. Moving on.

10-Jun-2011 22:16:50 - Last edited on 10-Jun-2011 22:17:32 by Venmi

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“But by staying, doing nothing about his feelings, he felt he was doing his family a favour of some sort, if his presence saved them grief – a charitable act surely, with its rewards at the end. –“
“Doing nothing about his feelings,” should be surround by a dash mark, not a comma. The dash marks pretty much mean “that is.” It sounds better when represented as, “But by staying, that is, doing nothing his feelings, he felt…”
The end of this sentence also feels incomplete. I think it should be split into two, ending at “sort.” The second sentence should be rewritten as, “If his presence saved them grief—a charitable act surely—it will have its rewards in the end.
“Why was he living for other people, when he should be living for himself?”
Remove the comma.
“And, amongst other things, why should he be nice to others, when they weren’t nice to him in the first place?”
Commas after “and” and “when” should be removed.
“He came to the conclusion that maybe he was the special one, the unique being in this world, although not so lucky now that he was stranded in a world full of shallow people, surrounding him like an impenetrable wall, drowning him.”
Comma after “people” should be removed.
“But, despite having told his family on multiple occasions that he suffered clinical depression, an illness that certainly demanded…”
Remove comma after “but.”
“Ronny lay relaxed in his own, single bed, breathing slowly as he drifted back into consciousness, and into the world he wished he did not belong.”
Shouldn’t lay be laid? The comma after “own” should be removed since it’s his own single bed, not his own bed and single bed. The comma after “consciousness” should also be removed.

10-Jun-2011 22:16:51 - Last edited on 10-Jun-2011 22:18:43 by Venmi

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“Beneath the duvet, he felt through the fabric of his pyjamas the presence of some much warmer air, trapped against his own body since last night, and now humid, which made him uncomfortable.”
The end of that sentence isn’t exactly correct. I would correct it to this:
“Beneath the duvet, he felt through the fabric of his pyjamas the presence of some much warmer air, trapped against his own body since last night, the humidity making him uncomfortable.”
“He would peek outside the window and investigate that laughter in the back garden, perhaps Edward messing around with his terrible friends, and discover what was so funny.”
Why did you suddenly start writing in the future tense when everything else is in the past tense? Huh. Weird. I would fix that. Also, I have no idea what you’re trying to say at the end. Are you trying to say Edward is messing around with his terrible friends and discovering what is funny? Or are you trying to say that this kid is going to discover what Edward and his terrible friends find funny?
“He regretted that a little, because it was clearly an invasion of a sort from Edward, meddling with his private affairs.”
No commas are needed.
“He told Ronny on a few occasions that, years ago, when he was still young and handsome, like Edward, he took down a fully grown troll…”
Comma after “that” and comma after “handsome” should be removed. Those commas are really unnecessary to get your point across. Some pauses aren’t necessary. That is one.
“And, like Edward, who in every way reminded the King of his younger days, he too in his prime enjoyed horse riding and archery, both to Ronny were more of an affliction than favourite pastimes.”
Comma after “and” shouldn’t be there. The comma after “archery” should just be a period and a new sentence should begin.
“But how could a father love a son, in whom he saw nothing of himself despite giving him his name”
Another unnecessary pause after “son.” Remove the comma.

10-Jun-2011 22:16:52 - Last edited on 10-Jun-2011 22:19:59 by Venmi

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“Sometimes Ronny sighed with sadness, knowing full well that she wouldn’t understand him anymore, like she used to.”
Comma after “anyone” should be removed. Unnecessary pause. (Seems like the theme of this story.)
“That night, she lay motionless, on the ground, and the King feared the worse.”
“Lay” should be “laid,” the comma after “motionless” shouldn’t be there, and “worse” should be “worst.”
“…Ronny couldn’t help but let the images of Edward pouring into his mind like a terrible disease.”
Pouring should be pour.
“Edward showed him the first movement of a symphony that he’d written at his age, which actually followed the rules of counterpoint and have a logical harmonic progression, as well as proper cadences.”
I see you know a thing or two about music. I like this. On a more serious note, have should be has. The subject is symphony, so the verb tense must agree with the singular subject.
“He didn't mind his little brother being so often unkind to him, or for that matter, showed no gratitude.”
Showed should be showing.
“In the past, Ronny had wanted to be a soldier when he was older, to serve his country, and his father was delighted, almost too supportive of that notion, believing it would turn Ronny finally into a man.”
Comma after “older” doesn’t need to be there. I don’t see the point in the pause at least. And in the last part of the sentence, it should look like this:
“…believing it would finally turn Ronny into a man.”
“In his mind, life would’ve been easier were Edward not there at all.”
Replace were with if and add was in front of not. Sounds better.
“…preparations preceded their arrival kept all staff in a foul mood.”
Preceded should be in the -ing tense here.
“The enormity of the task… …wiped the smile from their faces.”
Smile seems a little different from the other words. Smile should be plural. ;)

10-Jun-2011 22:16:53 - Last edited on 10-Jun-2011 22:20:45 by Venmi

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“Suddenly the food, roast chicken, fish pies and salad, was their refuge.”
The comma after food should be a colon, starting a list of food. The subject and predicate do agree here which is good.
“Edward was calling for Jasmine from outside the bathroom, in vain.”
The comma after bathroom doesn’t need to be there.
“Edward knew she wouldn’t come out, and Ronny knew that neither did he want her to.”
The end should be changed to: “…and Ronny knew that he did*’t want her to.”
“Eventually, everybody went about their own businesses, leaving Ronny to find his own entertainment for the evening.”
Here is a subject/predicate error. Everybody is a singular subject, so you must change their to his/her and businesses to business.
“It was the urge to write, not an assignment, but a story.*
Dash mark after “write.”
“Ronny flung himself at Edward furiously, trying to do some real damage, and Edward laughed at him, or at least his efforts, subdued him easily since he was almost twice his size…”
Subdued should be in the -ing tense.
“But that must happen first thing, tomorrow morning.”
What is the comma after “thing” doing there? It is far from needed.
“Suddenly his heart skipped a beat when he saw two, large yellow eyes advancing towards him, glaring at him from a few yards out in the darkness.”
Here you made a grammatical error that I wasn’t expecting from you. The comma shouldn’t be after two. It should be after large. The way you have it, two and large describes the word yellow. Everybody knows that is not true.
“He knew that his innocence was lost, and when he last took the very same steps he was still a child, his problems and worries were small and insignificant.*
Semi-colon after child.
“It was peculiar, because from the blond hair and the curve of his face Ronny recognised Edward’s companion…”
The comma after peculiar doesn’t need to be instead. Instead, put it after face.

10-Jun-2011 22:16:53 - Last edited on 10-Jun-2011 22:23:02 by Venmi

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“‘Before or after she’s drenched me?’”
There should be no apostrophe s in the word she.
*They absorbed his statement and let silence settled around them again.”
Settled shouldn’t have the d at the end.
“Being the keeper of a terrible secret certainly helped his confidence, and it made him restless, and impossible to sleep.”
This just seems weird grammatically. I suggest changing the comma to a dash mark and just remove the conjunction “and” completely.
“He replayed the whole scene in his mind, his heart throbbed with excitement as he once again recalled every detail…”
Throbbed should have the -ing ending.
“Though the details of the event never changed, his perception of it would, in the coming years…”
Remove the comma after would and put would after years.
"What he saw was Edward, in love, and that was all there was to it…”
Comma after Edward is not needed—another pointless pause that doesn’t give justice to the story.
“That was the simple truth he’d failed to grasp that evening, that it was an affair of the adult world and therefore none of his business.”
The comma should be a dash mark.
“Ronny was incredibly happy, and he’d forgotten why until Edward stepped out of his own room, further down the corridor.”
Comma after room should be removed.
“Then, he understood the world differently, and now he saw everything that he had lost.”
Remove the comma after “then.”
“…he flicked to the first page of the book, The History of Isafdar, he couldn’t help but recall…”
I know you can’t underline the title of the book on the forums, but something like quotation marks would be nice to notate titles.
“Maybe he could ask him about it later, and demand the truth.”
A comma that isn’t needed is in this sentence.
“…and he wanted to kiss it goodbye but ended up waving instead, just before he buried it.”
The comma there isn’t needed.

10-Jun-2011 22:16:54 - Last edited on 10-Jun-2011 22:23:35 by Venmi

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