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Von Varr

Von Varr

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I'm afraid Christianity is a religion. Of course the practicality of being a Christian doesn't overlap with the religion. But by calling yourself a Christian, you submit yourself to a group of people with similar beliefs, similar ideals and host weekly services - that is religion. I am referring to Job. And I don't particularly feel necessary to understand, let alone defend, the atrocities of God. I would have regretted to believe in a God that is racist, even at some point in the past.
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It is a religion, if you make it a religion. God let Satan attack Job like that to prove that Job really had faith in God, its not evil.. did you read his story until the end? How would God be racist?


You got it wrong. I didn't push it away. Unlike you, I have not seen it with my own eyes and reserves my judgment. If I cannot explain it, someone else can - I have no need to rush into a conclusion that this is a divine act. And why wouldn't it be God? It could be Allah, it could be some evil spirits, it could be just a trick of the eyes, it could be hundreds of things. And you seemed to have asked a question that is equally applicable to yourself. What other possible force on Earth could possibly stop it? God, you answer. Yes, but how did God stop it? God can do anything and thus needn't an explanation. Blah blah blah. Do you see what you are doing? You're asked a question, and you gave me an algebra.
Lastly, just because I personally can't explain it, or because nobody else seemed to be able to, it doesn't automatically mean it is the work of God. Such assumptions are ... biased and unfounded, at best. Your certainty disturbed me, in fact.
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I see what you mean, but what else could it be? if you say that it is Allah... then it is something supernatural.. thus making it a divine act..

07-Mar-2011 18:15:31

Von Varr

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Just because you can't explain something doesn't mean its God, and I agree. But you have to admit that somethings are just so hard to even grasp that it has to be God.

07-Mar-2011 18:15:38 - Last edited on 07-Mar-2011 18:15:59 by Von Varr

Englishkid62

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It is a religion, if you make it a religion. God let Satan attack Job like that to prove that Job really had faith in God, its not evil.. did you read his story until the end? How would God be racist?
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Yes I did. Tell me, are the lives of Job's wives and children, servants, all expendable for this bet, yes? They worth nothing, and they can be shed as part of this bet. The fact was, God knew Job in fact didn't need proving. God didn't even have to agree to this bet, unless he really enjoys having people killed. Christians view this as a commendable story in the Bible that the moral in it is never to lose faith even when the worst comes - but never did the attention turn to the purpose behind this bet. God gained practically nothing from this bet. So why did he bother with this, making all these life sacrifices? The fact that God rewarded Job with even more wives and children in the end are even more preposterous. No human lives are 'replaceable', even to test one man's faith that others close to him had to die. That clearly is not just. The moral of this story is questionable. I'm not accepting that a divine 'game' is being played by a just God that costs real human lives. Also, God preserved the lives of Israelites to Egyptians. Thus racist. I know you'll bring in Abraham in the argument, but if Jesus's words were true, that God loved every man equally, this was clearly not the case.

I see what you mean, but what else could it be? if you say that it is Allah... then it is something supernatural.. thus making it a divine act..
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I didn't say it was definitely Allah. I said it could be a trick of the eyes, or any reasons. There need not be any divine act just because there is something you can't explain. And it would be foolish to say it's a divine act because you can't explain it. Why can't people just accept the fact that there are things they DON'T understand, without putting some kind of algebra (God) into it? Your last statement just contradicted itself

07-Mar-2011 23:36:44 - Last edited on 07-Mar-2011 23:48:39 by Englishkid62

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Hey English. I've started on your story and I've read a bunch of posts, so I"ll highlight things that caught my interest as I read the piece. Not commented on means that the contents are clear.
"The King was aware of the dark wizards that resided in the south, and the tramps there as well as filthy backstreets, which with care he plotted their course to avoid seeing those places, sparing their eyes the unpleasant sight."
The part that speaks of the tramps and backstreets is unclear to me. I'm assuming the king is avoiding both the tramps and the filthy backstreets, but the sentence sort of implies to me that the tramps are residing in the south, in the same place where the dark wizards are. The which seems a bit odd to me too. All in all this sentence offers me more questions about its meaning than it's clearing up.

"To Ronny’s surprise, Reldo was not at all angry with him for not turning up this morning. It seemed that, weeks before, Reldo had already told him of today’s cancellation so that he could prepare his materials for the talk. Ronny of course, dropped the subject, not wanting to highlight his forgetfulness yet again."
How can Ronny be surprised that Reldo wasn't angry with him because he had forgotten the lesson, yet remember that Reldo had actually blown off the lesson? Maybe I'm seeing things that are not there, or lacking imagination to solve it but it felt a bit contradicting to me.
"He couldn’t help but feel the attention was stolen from him."
Attention stolen from him? I do not recall that anything had an excess of attention at all. Looks like an odd line to me.

13-Mar-2011 02:04:12 - Last edited on 13-Mar-2011 02:20:14 by [#KTGDNKTPA]

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"For the next few hours or so, he continued writing the story as writing brought him joy and liberation. He was freed from reality at last and managed to kill his brother. In the story, he went into his room at night, when Edward was sleeping, and he stood next to him, watching his bare chest rising and falling peacefully, its silhouette highlighted by the moonlight coming through the windows. In the story, he happened to have a knife stolen from the kitchen in his trouser pocket and he put it across his brother’s throat, then the deed was done. That was the end of the story, and certainly the end of Edward’s story. - "
Easy on the word story buddy :) Maybe substitute a bunch of them.
"That could be the adventure of the night, though in truth he hasn’t done any adventuring for years."
Present - Past in one sentence is odd. Besides, referring to past years with a present seems even more odd to me.
Just finished reading Chapter 2. I gotta say, the lover's part was certainly unexpected, but I have no objections on moral grounds against anything of the kind (unlike some people here, as it seems) and it did not even make me cringe. Which means it was fairly well done.
My general thoughts on Chapter 2: Ronny was once again the most interesting, prevalent and unique character, and got so even more. The other side of Edward is least to say unexpected, but I'm glad you added something to his character. However, Edward's character is still bland, a 'shocking' event featuring him does not change that. I hope to see more of him in the next chapters.
Writing was as good as ever, as far as I'm aware the only inconsistencies lie in the plot.
I'll try to read a new chapter monday.

13-Mar-2011 02:19:10 - Last edited on 13-Mar-2011 02:22:20 by [#KTGDNKTPA]

Englishkid62

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"The King was aware of the dark wizards that resided in the south, and the tramps there as well as filthy backstreets, which with care he plotted their course to avoid seeing those places, sparing their eyes the unpleasant sight."
The part that speaks of the tramps and backstreets is unclear to me. I'm assuming the king is avoiding both the tramps and the filthy backstreets, but the sentence sort of implies to me that the tramps are residing in the south, in the same place where the dark wizards are. The which seems a bit odd to me too. All in all this sentence offers me more questions about its meaning than it's clearing up.
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If you kind of ‘study’ the geography of Varrock, the filthy backstreets, the tramp, and the dark wizards would indeed be on the south of the palace. This sentence just means, to me, that the King just did*’t go anywhere near the south is all.
"To Ronny’s surprise, Reldo was not at all angry with him for not turning up this morning. It seemed that, weeks before, Reldo had already told him of today’s cancellation so that he could prepare his materials for the talk. Ronny of course, dropped the subject, not wanting to highlight his forgetfulness yet again."
How can Ronny be surprised that Reldo wasn't angry with him because he had forgotten the lesson, yet remember that Reldo had actually blown off the lesson? Maybe I'm seeing things that are not there, or lacking imagination to solve it but it felt a bit contradicting to me.
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The first chapter was basically Ronny staying in the bed and missing the whole lesson with Reldo altogether. This bit is more like Ronny ‘apologising’ his absence, and Reldo told him that moment that the lesson had been cancelled, on the similar lines of, ‘Haven’t I already told you a few weeks ago that this lesson was off?’. Then Ronny dropped the subject.

13-Mar-2011 17:54:05

Englishkid62

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"He couldn’t help but feel the attention was stolen from him."
Attention stolen from him? I do not recall that anything had an excess of attention at all. Looks like an odd line to me.
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I think the whole issue of setting up Edward and Jasmine, the princess being a bit of a drama queen and went away to the toilet, and this adult occasion that generally give Ronny very little attention is what he was talking about.
I agree that Edward is, up to now, the less ‘clear’ character as we’re still pretty much in Ronny’s perspective. However, this will change a little in the next chapter. Edward will definitely be given his weight, so, as Dark Enmity said back there, to him Edward is the most evil character in the story. I’ll let you decide if that’s the case :)

13-Mar-2011 17:54:21

Von Varr

Von Varr

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Yes I did. Tell me, are the lives of Job's wives and children, servants, all expendable for this bet, yes? They worth nothing, and they can be shed as part of this bet. The fact was, God knew Job in fact didn't need proving. God didn't even have to agree to this bet, unless he really enjoys having people killed. Christians view this as a commendable story in the Bible that the moral in it is never to lose faith even when the worst comes - but never did the attention turn to the purpose behind this bet. God gained practically nothing from this bet. So why did he bother with this, making all these life sacrifices? The fact that God rewarded Job with even more wives and children in the end are even more preposterous. No human lives are 'replaceable', even to test one man's faith that others close to him had to die. That clearly is not just. The moral of this story is questionable. I'm not accepting that a divine 'game' is being played by a just God that costs real human lives. Also, God preserved the lives of Israelites to Egyptians. Thus racist. I know you'll bring in Abraham in the argument, but if Jesus's words were true, that God loved every man equally, this was clearly not the case.
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IT was not a bet, or a game, God got glorified through Job's suffering, and it proves that God is bigger then any we can comprehend. God did what he did for a specific reason, we can't judge that. Well he chose the Israelite as his people, and yes he loves every human the same, but those who choose to go against God, had to pay the consequences of it.

14-Mar-2011 17:49:34

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