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Reaper Ben

Reaper Ben

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^_^ That's not a surprise. He was a crazy American guy who sold products in an extremely energetic way. He died a little bit after Michael Jackson. Billy Maze would scream at the screen that his product was amazing and the such, it was fun to watch =P

02-Mar-2011 16:26:20

Von Varr

Von Varr

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Not really. Actually, you and Ruben's point repeated a little, and on multiple occasions, when I debated with myself, and indeed later with a few religious leaders, same points were raised. So actually I'm rather used to them by now
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Well Ruben is my brother, so it makes sense that our points come back up similar.

Ah, but sorry to blaspheme, but I would say that God is not. The religion would instruct so that God is perfect, and this teaching has been taught as such. But a God who would commit mass murder because of a Pharaoh's decision? Someone who would strip a man of his whole family and possessions because of a stupid bet? Logic would tell me that God isn't nearly as perfect as the religious leaders say.
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The religion says so, but I never said that I was religious. God wants a relationship with you, if being a Christian, is a religion to you, you got it all wrong. Its hard to understand why God permitted the deaths of so many men, but who are we to go against God's plans? Are you referring to Job?

Without having seen or experienced it, I am in no position to say. But would you be so quick as to point this as concrete evidence to be a divine intervention from your God?
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It seems to me that because you cannot explain it, you push it away. Why would not it be God? what other possible force in on earth could possibly have stopped that car?

02-Mar-2011 18:20:54

Englishkid62

Englishkid62

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The religion says so, but I never said that I was religious. God wants a relationship with you, if being a Christian, is a religion to you, you got it all wrong. Its hard to understand why God permitted the deaths of so many men, but who are we to go against God's plans? Are you referring to Job?
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I'm afraid Christianity is a religion. Of course the practicality of being a Christian doesn't overlap with the religion. But by calling yourself a Christian, you submit yourself to a group of people with similar beliefs, similar ideals and host weekly services - that is religion. I am referring to Job. And I don't particularly feel necessary to understand, let alone defend, the atrocities of God. I would have regretted to believe in a God that is racist, even at some point in the past.

It seems to me that because you cannot explain it, you push it away. Why would not it be God? what other possible force in on earth could possibly have stopped that car?
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You got it wrong. I didn't push it away. Unlike you, I have not seen it with my own eyes and reserves my judgment. If I cannot explain it, someone else can - I have no need to rush into a conclusion that this is a divine act. And why wouldn't it be God? It could be Allah, it could be some evil spirits, it could be just a trick of the eyes, it could be hundreds of things. And you seemed to have asked a question that is equally applicable to yourself. What other possible force on Earth could possibly stop it? God, you answer. Yes, but how did God stop it? God can do anything and thus needn't an explanation. Blah blah blah. Do you see what you are doing? You're asked a question, and you gave me an algebra.
Lastly, just because I personally can't explain it, or because nobody else seemed to be able to, it doesn't automatically mean it is the work of God. Such assumptions are ... biased and unfounded, at best. Your certainty disturbed me, in fact.

02-Mar-2011 22:10:34

Vrangr Wayne

Vrangr Wayne

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I have not completed reading the story, but these are some comments on the dialouge going on:
English, I agree that you(to an extent) cannot judge someone(at least that's how I understood much of the message of this story to be.), I may disagree with their actions, their intentions or whatever, but by judging I would be placing myself on a pedestal and claiming to be able to judge something I know very little about.
On the other hand, I beleive it to be morally wrong,
And as such I cannot turn my head and look the other way.
But why I have that stance and how it is balanced is for another time.
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My point could be summed up like this:
You cannot(as a christ follower) expect the rest of the world to follow your values system.
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Perhaps I over step my bounds, I'm injecting myself into a talk I have nothing to do with and am not fully aware of the entirety of the dialouge nor its participants.
All the same, I welcome such talks, if you guys want to talk in-game I'm open for it.

03-Mar-2011 20:59:54 - Last edited on 03-Mar-2011 21:00:40 by Vrangr Wayne

Englishkid62

Englishkid62

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Then I suppose that is, as far as this story is concerned, the message I wished to convey by writing this. I'm glad you got that, at least.
Believing it is morally wrong, however, in my opinion that would be an incorrect belief, and so I'd like to ask exactly why one would have such a belief. It is rather like having a belief that someone of a different race is second class human. When beliefs are just plain wrong, I would like to get to its roots and see what exactly is causing this to happen.
So, may I dare ask then, why would you believe this?
Morally speaking, they are not hurting anyone. Whose moral are those? Who are these people who wrote those morals? Who are those people to write moral codes that they know works best for everyone ever to birth on this world? When I ask these questions, I often get answers such as these were rules written in a scared text by mystics long dead.
One could say that those dead people knew nothing about what it meant to be another, nor how 'morality' evolves just as humans and laws do. And they couldn't possibly be offended were their words not followed. What IS interesting, is how these words are then used to hurt real people that are living now.

03-Mar-2011 21:34:06

Vrangr Wayne

Vrangr Wayne

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This may be better to disscuss ingame, as it relates in many places to "religion" it may not go over well with mods.
If you wish to continue it here out of more efficiency though, I'm up for it.
And if you are willing to dialouge at least somewhat civily upon it, I will disscuss it with you English.

03-Mar-2011 21:41:05 - Last edited on 03-Mar-2011 21:42:13 by Vrangr Wayne

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