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As for civil unions being legal; it is true that much of western Europe does recognize either civil unions, or 'gay marriage however, most of Asia, Africa, and the United States does not. In addition, the European states of Italy, Greece, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Lichtenstein, Slovakia, Albenia, Armenia, Belarus, Bosnia, Bulagaria, Georgia, Macedonia, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Ukraine, Cyprus, Malta, Turkey, and of course, Vatican City, do not. (There may be other countries I haven't explicitly mentioned which don't recognize civil unions.)
And yes, Prefix is very lucky, he should give us some of his luck and happiness, seeing as he has an abundance of it.
Completely unrelated: did you notice how you can say 'gay' with apostrophes and not without, even though the former is more likely to be used in an insulting way than the latter? Jagex should really fix that. "He appears in the Form of a Man with many Countenances; and he hath a Book in his right hand. His Office is to teach all Arts and Sciences unto any; and to declare the Secret Counsel of any one."
And yes, Prefix is very lucky, he should give us some of his luck and happiness, seeing as he has an abundance of it.
Completely unrelated: did you notice how you can say 'gay' with apostrophes and not without, even though the former is more likely to be used in an insulting way than the latter? Jagex should really fix that. "He appears in the Form of a Man with many Countenances; and he hath a Book in his right hand. His Office is to teach all Arts and Sciences unto any; and to declare the Secret Counsel of any one."
12-Sep-2010 06:30:01 - Last edited on 12-Sep-2010 07:51:12 by Dantalian
Oh right, I see. That happens to me sometimes too, but most of the time I rewrite my message, lol. And what were your personal beliefs about my characters? Got a grudge against them?
Yes, well, 'can't do the last part' means you do not have the ability to perform that task, and to some degree that suggested impairment of some sort
. But you won't be able to have kids with anyone you were being loved by? That makes it even more complicated...
Apparently, there are straight couples who detested children, so to some it remained the case that what you described may not be the ideal scenario for everyone. But it did amuse me a little how you managed to romanticise, umm, reproduction
- I rather take a scientific view when it came to passing our genes on etc, although your view is valid.
So it is an expression of the love you're on about. Well, there are just so many forms of it. If I were to say, the ideal scenario and the ultimate expression or display of love is poetry writing, then it is my point of view. Of course, not everybody's opinion on what is 'the ultimate expression of love' is the same.
Lol, I don't flame on these issues. But beliefs are personal opinions and should be treated as such, and there should be no correct or incorrect beliefs.
Marriage traditionally do involve some kind of divinity, and to vow in public, their love. That said, modern marriages at times are far from divine or lasting. There are 'gay people who do believe in a religion that still want a marriage sweared in front of a divine being. And your point is a little odd. Why tell someone you love them, when they already know? Marriage, to me, is a binding contract, where both parties from that point onwards invest and, while witnessed by the public, they affirm their love in all its holiness. Dare I say it, marriages are romantic, if nothing else, and for this reason alone is enough to want to have them.
Yes, well, 'can't do the last part' means you do not have the ability to perform that task, and to some degree that suggested impairment of some sort
. But you won't be able to have kids with anyone you were being loved by? That makes it even more complicated...
Apparently, there are straight couples who detested children, so to some it remained the case that what you described may not be the ideal scenario for everyone. But it did amuse me a little how you managed to romanticise, umm, reproduction
- I rather take a scientific view when it came to passing our genes on etc, although your view is valid.
So it is an expression of the love you're on about. Well, there are just so many forms of it. If I were to say, the ideal scenario and the ultimate expression or display of love is poetry writing, then it is my point of view. Of course, not everybody's opinion on what is 'the ultimate expression of love' is the same.
Lol, I don't flame on these issues. But beliefs are personal opinions and should be treated as such, and there should be no correct or incorrect beliefs.
Marriage traditionally do involve some kind of divinity, and to vow in public, their love. That said, modern marriages at times are far from divine or lasting. There are 'gay people who do believe in a religion that still want a marriage sweared in front of a divine being. And your point is a little odd. Why tell someone you love them, when they already know? Marriage, to me, is a binding contract, where both parties from that point onwards invest and, while witnessed by the public, they affirm their love in all its holiness. Dare I say it, marriages are romantic, if nothing else, and for this reason alone is enough to want to have them.
12-Sep-2010 16:18:21
I don't have a grudge against them, English... um... hm... maybe I do? My evaluations of some of them were rather scathing if I recall. Not Kipplin though, I more pitied him. I suppose I could post it again though, if you wanted.
Shall I make that part about me "not being able to do that" more confusing? I probably could have kids with someone I didn't love
I also know about those straight couples, and my gut reaction is to be angry at them, even though I know they have their reasons. They can do something I really want to be able to do and yet choose not to.
And yes, I know I like to romanticize things. Science is important, but to me, it's only one side of the coin, able to tell us how something happens, but not why.
About beliefs, I am one of that minority that still believes in objective right and wrong, so I would say there are correct and incorrect beliefs, but since we can never be absolutely sure which is which, we should respect other valid beliefs. Of course, I'm still going to act on my beliefs as if they were correct, (for example, if I were in your story, I would have done everything in my power to save Tyler and to rescue Edward, regardless of what the late King Roald and the Saradominist priests believed on that matter.)
Back on the topic of marriage, I personally think there should be new romantic rituals associated with civil unions. As for the rights, I can't be sure about this everywhere, but in at least some US states, the rights of marriage and civil unions are identical. The only difference is really the name. Where this is done, it is done for the sake of honoring the traditional and religious sense of marriage, while nonetheless affirming the love of less traditional couples. "He appears in the Form of a Man with many Countenances; and he hath a Book in his right hand. His Office is to teach all Arts and Sciences unto any; and to declare the Secret Counsel of any one."
Shall I make that part about me "not being able to do that" more confusing? I probably could have kids with someone I didn't love
I also know about those straight couples, and my gut reaction is to be angry at them, even though I know they have their reasons. They can do something I really want to be able to do and yet choose not to.
And yes, I know I like to romanticize things. Science is important, but to me, it's only one side of the coin, able to tell us how something happens, but not why.
About beliefs, I am one of that minority that still believes in objective right and wrong, so I would say there are correct and incorrect beliefs, but since we can never be absolutely sure which is which, we should respect other valid beliefs. Of course, I'm still going to act on my beliefs as if they were correct, (for example, if I were in your story, I would have done everything in my power to save Tyler and to rescue Edward, regardless of what the late King Roald and the Saradominist priests believed on that matter.)
Back on the topic of marriage, I personally think there should be new romantic rituals associated with civil unions. As for the rights, I can't be sure about this everywhere, but in at least some US states, the rights of marriage and civil unions are identical. The only difference is really the name. Where this is done, it is done for the sake of honoring the traditional and religious sense of marriage, while nonetheless affirming the love of less traditional couples. "He appears in the Form of a Man with many Countenances; and he hath a Book in his right hand. His Office is to teach all Arts and Sciences unto any; and to declare the Secret Counsel of any one."
12-Sep-2010 19:51:27
And about children, I was saying that I see part of the reason behind marriage is the idea of society helping the couple raise children. Of course, straight couples are notoriously good and ruining things, just look what marriage has been reduced to by their efforts; most marriages are now nothing more than longer-than-average relationships which are fairly quickly divorced and discarded, normally leaving behind angry feelings. They really need to fix that and stop claiming that "other people" are ruining marriage.
As for a large part of the world being narrow-minded; while much of the world doesn't have official recognition for same-gender couples, most of them likewise won't mutilate you or execute you for being in one. I mean, even Vatican City has laws allowing two people of the same gender to "sleep together" (I was actually surprised to find out that this law has actually been in effect since the founding of Vatican City in 1929. It also means that Vatican City was the ninth European country (after France, Belgium, Italy, Luxembourg, Monaco, the Netherlands, Andorra, and Turkey) to have laws allowing such things. Not really what anyone would expect from that country.)
Yep, that's Prefix for you, a fun guy, but way too lucky, and apparently unable to realize that other people don't have his luck. Did he tell you about how he got into his annoyingly blissful position? Such odd friends he has, really...
I know Jagex isn't phobic in such a way, which is why I was so surprised by the way the filter is set up. Actually, if I remember correctly from Temple of Senntisten, then Azzanadra might be...
"He appears in the Form of a Man with many Countenances; and he hath a Book in his right hand. His Office is to teach all Arts and Sciences unto any; and to declare the Secret Counsel of any one."
As for a large part of the world being narrow-minded; while much of the world doesn't have official recognition for same-gender couples, most of them likewise won't mutilate you or execute you for being in one. I mean, even Vatican City has laws allowing two people of the same gender to "sleep together" (I was actually surprised to find out that this law has actually been in effect since the founding of Vatican City in 1929. It also means that Vatican City was the ninth European country (after France, Belgium, Italy, Luxembourg, Monaco, the Netherlands, Andorra, and Turkey) to have laws allowing such things. Not really what anyone would expect from that country.)
Yep, that's Prefix for you, a fun guy, but way too lucky, and apparently unable to realize that other people don't have his luck. Did he tell you about how he got into his annoyingly blissful position? Such odd friends he has, really...
I know Jagex isn't phobic in such a way, which is why I was so surprised by the way the filter is set up. Actually, if I remember correctly from Temple of Senntisten, then Azzanadra might be...
"He appears in the Form of a Man with many Countenances; and he hath a Book in his right hand. His Office is to teach all Arts and Sciences unto any; and to declare the Secret Counsel of any one."
12-Sep-2010 19:52:13
I would like it if you would repost, if you could remember what you would have said. Actually, not posting kind of implied it's not worth the effort to
Now you made it a bit more clear. But you never know. There may be a woman one day who sweeps you off your feet.
...Well, is adoption out of question?
But romanticising things are good. Well, at least, I sometimes do. Maybe you're really good at writing romance.
Lol, surely Brotherly Love has shown you that not all 'correct beliefs' of the person led to a pleasant outcome?
Ronny, being a child then, has little to no say in this matter. And Saradominists are quite powerful in the kingdom.
Oh right, I didn't know about that in the US. Here in the UK, both are definitely not the same, and do not have the same rights.
Mmm, narrow-minded may be a little harsh, but I do know countries where they still imprison people for having a different orientation. But then, having a different orientation is still a crime in the UK in the 1950s, so...
Prefix is way too lucky. I guess he doesn't know it. He really needs to be strangled. As for the blissful position, I don't know anything about that one
(Or did you mean when his friends set him up? Yeah, that was soooo cute! I wish I had friends like that. Shame about what happened a few weeks ago though
)
I have also been trying to get Prefix to help my cause, so my legacy about writing this kind of love could live on and, well, reproduce. He hasn't promised anything though
I don't know anything about Azzanadra. That's blasphemy. What makes you say that?!
Lastly, how come your first post sounded so...phobic?
Now you made it a bit more clear. But you never know. There may be a woman one day who sweeps you off your feet.
...Well, is adoption out of question?
But romanticising things are good. Well, at least, I sometimes do. Maybe you're really good at writing romance.
Lol, surely Brotherly Love has shown you that not all 'correct beliefs' of the person led to a pleasant outcome?
Ronny, being a child then, has little to no say in this matter. And Saradominists are quite powerful in the kingdom.
Oh right, I didn't know about that in the US. Here in the UK, both are definitely not the same, and do not have the same rights.
Mmm, narrow-minded may be a little harsh, but I do know countries where they still imprison people for having a different orientation. But then, having a different orientation is still a crime in the UK in the 1950s, so...
Prefix is way too lucky. I guess he doesn't know it. He really needs to be strangled. As for the blissful position, I don't know anything about that one
(Or did you mean when his friends set him up? Yeah, that was soooo cute! I wish I had friends like that. Shame about what happened a few weeks ago though
)
I have also been trying to get Prefix to help my cause, so my legacy about writing this kind of love could live on and, well, reproduce. He hasn't promised anything though
I don't know anything about Azzanadra. That's blasphemy. What makes you say that?!
Lastly, how come your first post sounded so...phobic?
12-Sep-2010 21:09:24 - Last edited on 12-Sep-2010 21:51:36 by Englishkid62
Er, I didn't mean it to seem like it wasn't worth the effort to... I'll go ahead and repost it in a bit.
About the "one day" you may be right, my parents seem to be betting hard on that
I've had one too many incidents where they seem to be trying to set me up.
I like the idea of adoption, even though I would say it would be better to make a child with a person I love... unfortunately, where I live, only straight couples are allowed to adopt.
Me, good at writing romance? Hm, ask Prefix about it, he's the only other person to see anything I've written which could be considered romance. (Other than me, of course, but I try not to judge my own work.)
True about correct beliefs, but everyone does act on beliefs to some extent, and if ever we really accepted the idea that all beliefs are completely equal, it would mean everything was really okay, on the good side love would be okay no matter what, on the not-so-good side, so would murder.
I had heard about one event that happened to Prefix a couple months ago (it didn't effect him directly, but it did effect you-know-who), however, I haven't heard from him in about two or three weeks, did something else happen?
I suppose I could take up that legacy, right now I keep things vague, and once I even took out part of an add because it was completely out in the open. (One of my readers is phobic, in the sense it makes him really uncomfortable, he tries to be open minded about such things but there was a certain traumatic event he went through early in life which scarred him. {I don't think he knows that I know about that event, though.})
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic about Azzanadra, seeing as you said "that's blasphemy" lol. Sounds like you might know the incident I'm talking about.
And... my first post sounded phobic?
I didn't mean it too... was there anything specific that made it sound that way? "He appears in the Form of a Man with many Countenances; and he hath a Book in his right hand. His Office is to teach all Arts and Sciences unto any; and to declare the Secret Counsel of any one."
About the "one day" you may be right, my parents seem to be betting hard on that
I've had one too many incidents where they seem to be trying to set me up.
I like the idea of adoption, even though I would say it would be better to make a child with a person I love... unfortunately, where I live, only straight couples are allowed to adopt.
Me, good at writing romance? Hm, ask Prefix about it, he's the only other person to see anything I've written which could be considered romance. (Other than me, of course, but I try not to judge my own work.)
True about correct beliefs, but everyone does act on beliefs to some extent, and if ever we really accepted the idea that all beliefs are completely equal, it would mean everything was really okay, on the good side love would be okay no matter what, on the not-so-good side, so would murder.
I had heard about one event that happened to Prefix a couple months ago (it didn't effect him directly, but it did effect you-know-who), however, I haven't heard from him in about two or three weeks, did something else happen?
I suppose I could take up that legacy, right now I keep things vague, and once I even took out part of an add because it was completely out in the open. (One of my readers is phobic, in the sense it makes him really uncomfortable, he tries to be open minded about such things but there was a certain traumatic event he went through early in life which scarred him. {I don't think he knows that I know about that event, though.})
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic about Azzanadra, seeing as you said "that's blasphemy" lol. Sounds like you might know the incident I'm talking about.
And... my first post sounded phobic?
I didn't mean it too... was there anything specific that made it sound that way? "He appears in the Form of a Man with many Countenances; and he hath a Book in his right hand. His Office is to teach all Arts and Sciences unto any; and to declare the Secret Counsel of any one."
12-Sep-2010 23:07:20
I'm sorry about that. Yes, some parents do insist on such things. I do remember writing a story about how this narrator resented that his parents tried to set him up with girls. Apparently, they failed
Better to make a child with a person you love?! Man, you wouldn't say so if *You* were the one who had to endure nine months of pregnancy. Unless...you are willing to get pregnant
I shall indeed ask Prefix about it, and whether your romances should be considered a threat to me
Ouch, I didn't know who You-know-who is, except Voldemort, but that doesn't seem to fit. Either case, I spoke with him a week ago and apparently things not gone so well. Still, someone like him would just recover and he would still be miles ahead of us.
I suppose. The Priceless is my first story and I was still testing my grounds a bit, the idea of a scammer doing so and so because he loved another guy. But I never for a moment not write because a reader told me that is not acceptable. My writing style can be seen as brutish, and I depict the world as I see it. I sometimes get phobic comments, but they are a rarity. Educated forumers look past these things and even some of them disagree with the love I mentioned, they can step back and appreciate it like a piece of literature. (Or just that I pwned their straight romance
)
It is a shame. But as one of my fellow writer friend said, 'I write for myself. If other people like the story too, then that's cool. If they don't, I will not care.'
Not being read has never been a problem for me though...
I have no idea about the incident. I said it's blasphemy because my allegiance is with Zaros and Azzanadra, and what a daring suggestion! I am interested to know your theory/evidence behind it.
Yes, your first post resembled any ordinary phobic reader.
Better to make a child with a person you love?! Man, you wouldn't say so if *You* were the one who had to endure nine months of pregnancy. Unless...you are willing to get pregnant
I shall indeed ask Prefix about it, and whether your romances should be considered a threat to me
Ouch, I didn't know who You-know-who is, except Voldemort, but that doesn't seem to fit. Either case, I spoke with him a week ago and apparently things not gone so well. Still, someone like him would just recover and he would still be miles ahead of us.
I suppose. The Priceless is my first story and I was still testing my grounds a bit, the idea of a scammer doing so and so because he loved another guy. But I never for a moment not write because a reader told me that is not acceptable. My writing style can be seen as brutish, and I depict the world as I see it. I sometimes get phobic comments, but they are a rarity. Educated forumers look past these things and even some of them disagree with the love I mentioned, they can step back and appreciate it like a piece of literature. (Or just that I pwned their straight romance
)
It is a shame. But as one of my fellow writer friend said, 'I write for myself. If other people like the story too, then that's cool. If they don't, I will not care.'
Not being read has never been a problem for me though...
I have no idea about the incident. I said it's blasphemy because my allegiance is with Zaros and Azzanadra, and what a daring suggestion! I am interested to know your theory/evidence behind it.
Yes, your first post resembled any ordinary phobic reader.
13-Sep-2010 00:00:36
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