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Englishkid62

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Yes, I'm afraid so. I have a beta reader who has coincidentally the same orientation as Tyler, said to me after reading this story that the murder was totally uncalled for and, as much as he is in love with everything about the story and happy endings, he still wished Tyler were alive in the epilogue, and realised he isn't coming back after 'The End'. So, yes, it is an unpopular decision, but it was either that or have Tyler finding himself another guy, which would make it quite similar to the ending of Priceless and I'm afraid that'll get my head chopped off by angry fans. It had to be a sad ending either way. But if this is unconvincing for you, that's an issue I'll look into.
You aren't too clear on the second point. Do you mean same gender marriage? Or at least the idea of it, or that at the end, it was what happened? I wouldn't think it's a political discussion, but yes, I have read lots of arguments on the internet as religious organisations battled against the idea with reasons that love exist due to reasons of procreation, undermining the sanctity of marriage, not supported by the church, can't raise children, or simply disgusting. They are all arguments I have been involved in and have, day after day, broken down into insignificance. Of course, having just woken up, I really am not up for some more.
Just a reminder that you can't really 'control' who you love. You either do, or don't. And at the very least, I have written here something that hopefully resembles the shoes of those individuals, and so others can try to understand their point of view. I like to think that, by writing these stories, I have opened a window and given a taster of what it is to be a victim of the society and moral conventions.
Take care :)
Edit: Having searched your profile, I have identified you as the author of The Black Pentagram, a story I have seen before but never read. And you're also a vivid reader of Prefix, the reader who laughed. Is that how you came by this story?

11-Sep-2010 13:38:10 - Last edited on 11-Sep-2010 15:00:48 by Englishkid62

Englishkid62

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Ronny is the current King Roald of the game. However, in the game, he is not yet 70! :P
Edit: He will be one day! The Old King is the current King Roald's father.
I'm glad the story got you thinking! But about what, exactly? lol.

11-Sep-2010 15:02:37 - Last edited on 11-Sep-2010 15:05:25 by Englishkid62

Dantalian

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Actually, English,I ironically came across your stories thanks to Mr. Mcmrs. That troll had made a habit of coming onto my story and randomly accusing unspecified characters of being 'gay and talking about how it "ruined the story", then left again when I asked him for justification... To be honest there was one such couple in the story the first time he posted, but both people were minor characters who appeared twice in the story, and there was only one, very vague hint about their relationship. Somewhat oddly, now that two of the more major characters are in such a relationship, and more hints are being dropped about it, he doesn't show up :P
Anyways, I one day decided to check and see if Mcmrs acted like that to everyone, or he just liked picking on me. So I looked through his profile, and found that he had posted something like "a guy shouldn't like another guy" on The Priceless. Curious, as to whether he was just making blind accusations, I read the story and was impressed by your writing...
Later, I happened to see this story, and recognizing you from The Priceless, decided to read it.

As for the marriage thing; part of it is I am somewhat a traditionalist, and the other part is likely due to thinking of the following as the ideal scenario when it comes to love:
Meeting a wonderful person, falling in love with that person, getting closer to that person, eventually taking a vow with that person to be together until death. Then, in a pure act of love with your beloved, making a new person, and together raising that new person made by your love.
I am well aware you can't choose who you love, and because of that, I can't do the last parts of that scenario. In other words, the difference between certain types of relationships is kinda hard for me to ignore. As such it strengthened my mentality of "marriage is for kids, civil unions (which need a better sounding name) are for lovers." So I want the latter made legal, not the former changed.
"He appears in the Form of a Man with many Countenances; and he hath a Book in his right hand. His Office is to teach all Arts and Sciences unto any; and to declare the Secret Counsel of any one."

11-Sep-2010 19:17:05 - Last edited on 11-Sep-2010 19:17:22 by Dantalian

Dantalian

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(sorry ran out of space on the previous post.)
And about it being a matter of personal interest to you, you seemed to be suggesting something, English ;)
Oh, and don't worry, I picked on Prefix for a while after I found out he laughed at the end of "The Priceless" ('twas all in good fun, he and I are friends, internet friends, granted, but friends nonetheless.) Still, I was shocked that he laughed... I guess it's because his life had been pretty good for a while before he read it. (Either that or he's a sadist.)
"He appears in the Form of a Man with many Countenances; and he hath a Book in his right hand. His Office is to teach all Arts and Sciences unto any; and to declare the Secret Counsel of any one."

11-Sep-2010 19:21:26

Englishkid62

Englishkid62

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Actually, he wasn't the worst. There were people who posted 'Puffters must die' and said there's something seriously wrong with me and I should see the doctors, and that I waste my talents writing about these things. He then of course, suggested that I should write about dragons instead. That person of course, believes no one can write a good story based on 'gay characters.
Still, I have always for my entire life hunted for stories on here that contained such relationships. You have now got my interest.
Oh right, you stalked him! Shame, why didn't you post on The Priceless? :P (Or indeed, decide to post on here?)
As for your views, I agreed with the first part, but not the second. Loving a person doesn't necessarily mean you have to have kids. Two separate things. And what about infertile couples? Does that mean, in your definition, they can't truly be in love?
What do you mean, you *can't* do the last part of that scenario? O_o
Marriage - goes with it that because you married a person, your possessions goes to your partner upon your death, and it grants your partner citizenship of the country. Civil Unions don't do that.
And I thought Civil Unions are already 'legal'?
Whatever I was suggesting...you can interpret it however you like.
I also picked on Prefix too because he was just so mean...yes, he laughed, yeah well, doesn't stop me from getting him. :P His life was pretty good for a few months, yes. I was really jealous of his lifestyle. And he probably is a sadist in disguise!

11-Sep-2010 21:21:35 - Last edited on 12-Sep-2010 00:37:42 by Englishkid62

Dantalian

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I did mean to post on The Priceless, I wrote out my post and everything, and then while editing it, hit "backspace" and as happens on occasion with my browser, it read that as a command to go to the last page instead of deleting some text, and as such, I lost all of my post. T_T I was rather unenthusiastic after that and thus didn't repost. (It consisted of me complimenting your excellent work, then going into detail on my personal beliefs about your characters.
As for what I meant by "I can't do that last part" maybe I should rephrase it as "I won't be able to have kids with anyone I end up loving and being loved by." ;~;
Speaking of kids, it seems you misunderstood me, English, I wasn't saying people who can't have kids aren't in love, I was going through what (at least to me) seemed the ideal scenario. To elaborate; people who are in love then perform a certain act of love (you-know-what-I-mean) and then, from this act a new person is sometimes created. In other words, a new person is not only created by the combination of biological substances from two people, he or she is also created by the expression of the love between those two people. (I know this is not always the case in reality, I am presenting an ideal.)
And to clarify, I see the creation of a new person via an act of love the ultimate expression or display of love. It is not love itself, it is an expression of love that already exists. And it is possible for love expressed in this way to be lesser than love that is not expressed in this way.
(Way to go, Niht, your explanation probably just made everyone who read it more confused than before.)
"He appears in the Form of a Man with many Countenances; and he hath a Book in his right hand. His Office is to teach all Arts and Sciences unto any; and to declare the Secret Counsel of any one."

12-Sep-2010 06:28:58

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