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Pink 4 Twink
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Well, I passed both classes. Got an 84% on the film analysis final. It's going to be bumped up to the 90th percentile though. Thing with the software is that it does not detect a correct answer if the answer has incorrect casing and spelling. Several answers were correct.

I passed my English essay with an A- which bumped my grade to an 83% in that class. So all in all not bad! An A in Film Analysis and a B in English. I do good work! =) Just your friendly neighborhood gay boy! =)

15-Dec-2022 22:41:06 - Last edited on 16-Dec-2022 00:59:02 by Pink 4 Twink

Azi Demonica

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There certainly never was, as there's no grounds for any problems.

Just as fanart isn't illegal, AI art isn't either, and all justifications for fanart can also apply to AI art. Just because AI art uses slivers of existing content to amalgamate into composite images, doesn't mean I'm taking money away from artists, it doesn't mean I have to be their employer, it doesn't mean I'm claiming ownership, it doesn't mean I'm stealing other peoples' content, it doesn't mean I'm making money, it means I'm using an algorithm as a tool to try and benefit my community. Everything I do, I do for free, and I make available publicly. The artists whose content my prompts may have used tiny bits from are equally allowed to my images as much as anyone else.

As another example, there are also AI writers, which scan the internet then use existing text to make something knew. Since not everyone can be a writer, if someone uses an AI writer as a means to help them, allowing them to edit and create more later on, that's totally understandable. If someone uses an AI writer, which somehow took my own stories, made something from them, and the person became successful because of it, I wouldn't demand anything from them. I'd instead applaud them for finding a means to reach something nice in their life. Use all the toolboxes you can get; if it helps you, use it.

Oh, and there's also AI music makers. You can literally get an AI to make music for you.

Oh, and I'm glad to hear of your educational successes, Pink. I was always a bad student XD but it's nice you're getting somewhere in life. I still live in poverty in my forty year old trailer!

16-Dec-2022 08:18:24 - Last edited on 16-Dec-2022 08:21:07 by Azi Demonica

NotFishing

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Azi, the legality is still ambiguous because AI Generators are a relatively new innovation, and it often takes years for laws to change to reflect technological advancements. But just because something might not be illegal right now doesn't mean it is morally right.

In most art communities, it is considered a massive dick move to use someone else's art for any purpose without crediting them. Especially if you're using it for the purpose of monetization, and as far as I know, most AI Generators are monetized in some way - even if it's just through ad revenue. Others solicit their users for donations, or lock features behind paywalls.

If I was an artist, and I found out that there was a chance some random computer program might take my art, mash it together with two or three other pieces of art, and then pass that off to someone without paying or crediting me, while making money themselves, I'd be pretty pissed. Tale actually does do art, which is probably why this is a big deal for her.

You're not actively taking away money from other artists, no, but you are passively doing it. Instead of commissioning an artist to make something for you, thereby supporting the artist and sponsoring the creation of something truly original, you're getting an AI to shit out an amalgamation of works that were stolen from other artists. Artists who will not receive credit or be consulted on whether or not their work can even be used for what it's about to be used for. Because AI Generators are incapable of respecting that, and to be quite frank most of the people who maintain the AI Generators would rather have you believe the AI is actually making its own original art.

Even if you can't afford to commission art - which is entirely valid - there's nothing stopping you from spending some time on google to find an original human-made piece, and then crediting that artist when you upload it somewhere. Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

17-Dec-2022 03:53:04 - Last edited on 17-Dec-2022 04:10:00 by NotFishing

NotFishing

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Just because you aren't personally making money off of this doesn't change the fact that you're supporting people who do, by spreading popularity for the systems.

Fanart actually is illegal if it is monetized. Most fanart is unmonetized. Artists who do actively sell their fanart are basically gambling that these big million-dollar companies don't have time to go after someone who uses their free time to make fanart commissions for $40-100 apiece. Morally these artists also don't need to feel any guilt over this because selling a piece of art for $50 isn't going to ruin an entire corporation, and also most of these corporations aren't commissioning tailor-made pieces of art for individual customers, so there isn't even a real competition.

However, for all the freelance artists who make a significant portion (if not the entirety) of their livelihood off of producing art by themselves with their own creativity, AI Generators absolutely can ruin their lives if they become prominent enough. The fact that these generators might even be using their work to ruin them is additional salt in the wound.

But hey, I'm sure all these artists (whether they're professionals or hobbyists) must be suuuper grateful that you're generously permitting them to use images that you didn't make, didn't put any effort or expense into acquiring, and may be directly derived from their own work without any credit. Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

17-Dec-2022 03:53:13 - Last edited on 17-Dec-2022 04:48:31 by NotFishing

Azi Demonica

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I'm too lazy to explain so I'll just copy-paste what's already in MidJourney,
By using the Services, you grant to Midjourney, its successors, and assigns a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, sublicensable no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license to reproduce, prepare Derivative Works of, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute text, and image prompts you input into the Services, or Assets produced by the service at your direction. This license survives termination of this Agreement by any party, for any reason.

If you don't like what I do, here's where you can email them,
[email protected]

I am looking forward to what happens next.

17-Dec-2022 08:53:49

NotFishing

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Azi,

In no way does that address anything that I said.

What you just copy/pasted is actually confirming that MidJourney is attempting to claim full licensing rights over the works that their AI is "producing." They're literally saying they think they have the right to do whatever they want with the art that their AI is collecting. That is also all that particular snippet is saying. This only enhances my point - they're putting themselves in a position to sell the works that their AI produces.

Additionally just because a company claims something is legal doesn't mean it is. Companies can lie, or misinterpret the law. Believe it or not, many Terms of Services have terms or even entire sections that aren't actually legally binding, and would not hold up in a court of law. Because companies know that nobody ever read these things, and the few people who do lack the legal expertise to figure out if something is legally binding or not. They're more or less just hoping people like you will assume everything they say is true and official, even when it isn't.

Breaking News: Company Claims They're Not Doing Anything Illegal (Must Be True)

I am in no position to engage in a legal battle with a website that many people have no doubt already called out already. I can however call you out for being complicit in this. What you're doing here is disavowing all personal responsibility and being a bad consumer. The fact that instead of addressing my points you immediately copy/pasted a legally shaky disclaimer and referred me to the site itself, which you know full well isn't going to do anything, does not change this.

Anyway, I'm going to wash my hands of this. I have explained to you why your actions are wrong. You now know your actions are wrong. So if you continue to do it anyway, that's on you.

You are no longer allowed to post art in any of my threads. I will remove your characters from the narrative if you do. Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

17-Dec-2022 17:05:26 - Last edited on 17-Dec-2022 18:10:31 by NotFishing

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