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Azi Demonica

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I can add a few points, too.

“the energy from the bullet was more likely to penetrate the armor of a knight than an arrow”
As a heads up, there is no evidence that an arrow or bolt penetrated a knight’s plate armour. Historically-correct plate armour is made from slabs of iron hammered flat, which is an extremely hard surface to piece. There was bulletproof plate armour in both Europe and Japan, for example. Some cavalrymen wore up to two additional breastplates screwed onto the main one, to make them even more bulletproof.
Even if an arrow pierced a person’s plate armour, it would be unlikely to penetrate the gambeson worn underneath especially if the padding was worn underneath mail.

Fire arrows seem to have been soaked in pitch and then fired. There is almost no evidence to their effectiveness, but presumably, they could be used to signal. Some arrowheads in Europe had bases that were cage-like or spiral-like, presumably where pitch or something was stored. When enough arrows hit a surface, perhaps some smoking pitch would splat onto a surface and begin a fire. Though, starting fires for the sake of destruction usually isn’t a good idea.

Training archers isn’t difficult, though. It’s actually easier for someone to start shoot a bow than to start shooting a gun. In regards to training, bows with high draw weights (such as those wielded by longbowmen, Mongols, janissaries, etc.) require strength training, which takes a long time for sure especially back then.

Flintlocks can shoot in rain; flint makes sparks even when wet.

19-Nov-2018 19:07:33

Westenev

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Azi Demonica said :
Flintlocks can shoot in rain; flint makes sparks even when wet.

I dare you to try and spark wet gunpowder. Even if the flint works just fine, it's no good if the Gunpowder won't catch.
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19-Nov-2018 20:48:57 - Last edited on 19-Nov-2018 21:08:25 by Westenev

NotFishing

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Then it's a good thing the gunpowder is contained within cartridges, which are kept in a secure box at a soldier's hip, and presumably the soldier is making an attempt to minimize the powder's exposure to rain.

Unless you toss the weapon and ammunition into a lake, there is still a reasonable chance that it will work in the rain, so long as it isn't soaked.

And even if it is somehow raining so heavily that none of your muskets can fire, the same applies to your enemy. Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

19-Nov-2018 22:41:31 - Last edited on 19-Nov-2018 22:42:20 by NotFishing

Westenev

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I feel as though we are trying to explain how a musket should work rather than how it actually performed. Muskets had A LOT of problems when it came to reliability and field maintinence which weren't really adressed until the 19th century.

Still, I'm not sure you can compare a fantasy world with magic and 7 foot lizardmen to our own. If magic and other humanoids can do what we cannot, one would assume technology and culture would likely evolve differently as a result.
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20-Nov-2018 00:03:42 - Last edited on 20-Nov-2018 00:05:35 by Westenev

NotFishing

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My issue is that you claimed flintlocks were useless, and I believe you (or someone else) once claimed long ago that the transition from crossbows to muskets was a downgrade.

And yes, muskets had a lot of problems, but even they were still a superior weapon to the bow. You are greatly overestimating the reliability issues.

I think the issue is that you are applying video game logic: "I can pick my arrows back up afterward" or what you see on TV.

If muskets were useless, or an inferior weapon, then they wouldn't have become the most common weapon of choice for hundreds of years.

Also it is my fantasy world so I am free to decide how it will evolve. Magic will definitely slow down the advancement of technology, but it won't drive it to a standstill. Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

20-Nov-2018 00:12:17 - Last edited on 20-Nov-2018 00:13:54 by NotFishing

Azi Demonica

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All points about muskets are good to talk about, though. We gotta discuss these topics to sharpen our imaginations and logic, after all. But yeah, cartridges meant that firelocks can be used even in wetter conditions. Of course, muskets sometimes won't work, such as in extremely hot temperatures, as the metal expands a bit, slightly deforming the barrel's shape and making it harder to use the ramrod or to shoot accurately.

But, performance is based on the quality of craftsmanship and the user's experience and skills, generally speaking. Speaking of magic, you don't see magical guns or magical ammo that often, hunh? In games like Mortal Kombat X and Clive Barker's Jericho, there are features of which a bullet seemingly has a mind of its own and zigzags or curves.

Erron Black's magical bullets,
https://youtu.be/3iDmpTcKmC4?t=44

The 'ghost bullet' feature in Jericho,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF2c8PqbjSs

These could be fun, cool, and brutal features/abilities/magic in a gun-enabled RP. It may even be what this forum is missing. Of course, various other kinds of magic could be imbued, or indeed, controlling where a magical projectiles goes could work.

20-Nov-2018 00:19:58 - Last edited on 20-Nov-2018 00:22:08 by Azi Demonica

NotFishing

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In Sabres of Infinity (a Low Fantasy CYOA game in which you play as a Dragoon officer in a fictional setting), you can end up with magical guns if you make the right choices.

One is called a runegun, which is basically a musket that shoots a scattered laser. It basically incinerated whoever it touches.

The other is a dragonlock, which basically uses an enchanted firing mechanism which cuts the reload speed almost in half and allows it to be fired in any weather. There's a scene where twelve men are able to use them to fend off several dozen cavalry. Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

20-Nov-2018 00:38:14

Westenev

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NotFishing said :
Also it is my fantasy world so I am free to decide how it will evolve.

This is true.

And this is where the conversation ends, I guess.

Next topic?

Westenev said :
In a nutshell. The basic idea was to run about a series of pretty Christmas vistas while avoiding being murdered by Santa Claws. I'm currently on the fence line about whether characters can earn their happy ending, or if death is the only option.

... If that sounds similar to a certain manga, I'm sure that's just coincidence *cough*

Huh. It seems Azi isn't the only one who secretly wants a bloody christmas-themed thread. O_o I wonder if this idea is worth revisiting, though I can't imagine what manga I was referring to at the time...
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20-Nov-2018 00:50:20 - Last edited on 20-Nov-2018 01:26:09 by Westenev

Azi Demonica

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The next topic is controlling bullets/projectiles, like the links I showed. And, as Not said, magic-based guns. Inferi's RPs did have something like that, with crystallis technology, but I don't know enough about it to talk much of it. I just find the idea of a single bullet moving and thus performing multiple headshots is so cool, though a musket probably wouldn't fire a bullet capable of piercing multiple people.

20-Nov-2018 01:24:42

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