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Azi Demonica said :
And who the hell is Aeron Greyjoy?


Brother of Euron Greyjoy. Aeron to be a massive partier until his ship crashed and he almost drowned. Then he became super serious and decided to become a high-ranking priest of the Drowned God. Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

25-Oct-2017 03:47:08

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Westenev said :
And, honestly, my character can 1v1 a Dragon in a melee. I think my character has earned the right to make demands of the Empire. Ha! So true! I can also melee a dragon 1 on 1, so long as the difficulty is on medium.


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So that's Euron Greyjon, but now, there's just another unknown name :/

25-Oct-2017 03:52:27

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Westenev said :
1) Ignorance is not innocence. I consider likening it to shooting the hostage - once the puppet master realises he can no longer use puppets, he will stop sending them.


But if you kill the puppets, the puppetmasters will just continue to find more puppets. You need to take out all the puppetmasters in order to truly end things.

Westenev said :
2) That's kind of the problem though - Stormcloaks just have to grin and bear it.

Okay... and? A system where the majority are treated normally and the Reachmen are prejudiced against vs. a system where the majority are constantly under attack and Reachmen are still prejudiced against (but the landholding ones who try to keep peace with the Nords are also under attack as well - see Karthwasten.)

Westenev said :
Balgruff made a good point. How many of his "friends" lay dead on the streets that night, just so he could have a shot at being Jarl?

And how many of his actual friends (including his own nephew) are resting in a Thalmor torture chamber just so the Emperor, High-King, and Jarls could keep their own thrones?

I really don't consider that a betrayal. Ulfric was marching on the city either way, and they needed someone to govern it. Vignar stepped up. It's not like he and his family walked down to the gates, stabbed the guards in the back, and opened the door for an invading army. It's not like he went to the keep for safe refuge only to say: "Ulfric sends his regards" and shank Balgruuf in the heart.

Sorry man, but Vignar is awesome. A bit rude, but that's more due to his age - he has a good heart, as shown by how he saved Brill and gave him a job. He used to be a Companion (and presumably refused their 'offer'), and is well-versed in history and tradition. Also, Balgruuf's heirs are spoiled brats, whereas Vignar's heirs are infinitely more competent and well-adjusted. Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

25-Oct-2017 04:03:01 - Last edited on 25-Oct-2017 04:06:38 by NotFishing

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Y'know, one time a group of Vampires attacked whiterun hold - and durring the attack, Vignar started attacking the whiterun guards. I know I shouldn't base his character on a glitch, but these actions always struck me as a little odd.

I never said I liked the Battleborns. They're buttholes, but at the very least they aren't trying to oust Balgruff.

I'm pretty sure Balgruff's "Brats" have been corrupted by the whispering door, which is another problem entirely. Being a Jarl isn't hereditary (though it does help), so I don't think there's an issue.
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25-Oct-2017 04:13:36 - Last edited on 25-Oct-2017 04:22:23 by Westenev

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Westenev said :
I never said I liked the Battleborns. They're buttholes, but at the very least they aren't trying to oust Balgruff.


That's only because Balgruuf ultimately sides with the Empire. If Balgruuf joined the Stormcloak and the Empire took the city, you think Olfrid - the man who brought the Thieves Guild back into Whiterun - would hesitate to take power?

Westenev said :
I'm pretty sure Balgruff's "Brats" have been corrupted by the whispering door, which is another problem entirely.

That will take years of therapy to undo, even if we're assuming that Mephala for some reason decides to stop influencing them after the quest is complete.

Westenev said :
Being a Jarl isn't hereditary (though it does help), so I don't think there's an issue.

It is hereditary. Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

25-Oct-2017 04:33:27

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Hmm. I always assumed Jarls were picked by renown, or because nobody wanted to replace them. My reasoning was that Jarl Balgruff had a few war stories of his own before he became Jarl, Elisif had political intrigue supporting her, and Ingrod the Younger of Morthal lived in a small village where nobody wanted the post (hence why the new Jarl had to come from outer reaches of the hold).



I don’t think the Thieves guild is a problem in Skyrim – particularly when lead by the Dragonborn. There is no profit to be made in an impoverished nation, so improving the standard of living of others has a clear benefit. They also encourage Khijiit traders, who are some of the only trade networks still active in war-time Skyrim.
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25-Oct-2017 04:49:16

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