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Westenev

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NotFishing said :

1. It doesn't really make sense if you help him escape. You help him murder dozens of guards and yet you're still allowed to freely roam the city afterwards. Citizens will even comment fearfully on what you did. Whereas if you help Thonar, the entire city is in awe of you.

2. He's the leader of a violent terrorist group that is ultimately responsible for more deaths than Thonar himself.

3. The majority of the Forsworn still attack you afterwards.

4. I usually just kill Thonar after he clears my name. Then I give Markarth to the Stormcloaks in Season Unending, and retake it for the Empire, causing Thongvor Silver-Blood to be exiled to Windhelm. Boom, Clan Silver-Blood has ended, and the Forsworn are leaderless - two severe problems dealt with.

5. On playthroughs where I don't betray the person I sided with: I'd rather be allied with a mob boss than a hill-dwelling savage.

Now I just need to deal with the cannibals, the Daedric Shrine, the massive underground settlement of Falmer, the Thalmor, and Jarl Igmund's incompetence.


1. I don't have much sympathy for the guards. They're corrupt and therefore fair game.

2. He's an old man who has a very valid point. Legitimate land owners of the Reach are being extorted by the Nords.

3. I think that's just proof that letting Madanach go wouldn't really change anything but letting an old man die among his people.

4. My character is a stormcloak… which really irks me, considering Balgruff and Ulfric are my two favourite characters - both of whom are replaced by utter milk drinkers, depending on which side of the war you favour. I'm almost half of mind to agree with the companions - the war really does suck.

If only you could show Ulfric the letter from the Thalmor Embassy, and stop the rebellion. O_o

Anyways, there isn't much I can do about that!

5. It's not about helping anyone but myself. Refer to point 1.
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25-Oct-2017 03:13:31 - Last edited on 25-Oct-2017 03:21:02 by Westenev

NotFishing

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Westenev said :
Milk-drinking Forsworn-and-Stormcloak-sympathizing propaganda


1. Many of the guards may be corrupt, but not necessarily all of them, and some of them may be forced into it (if they refuse to work with Thonar, what do you think their comrades will do to them?) Besides, they keep the peace (for the most part), and every man is needed to defend the Reach from the Forsworn.

2. It's mainly the Silver-Bloods doing that. Besides, they may be extorting, but they aren't actively raiding and pillaging. It's a crappy situation either way - Thonar's regime is just slightly less crappy.

3. Him getting free is a massive morale booster, he's already proven himself to be a cunning strategist, and he fully intends to ramp up the Forsworn attacks. The fact that we don't get to see the implications of this is just due to limitations on Bethesda's part. Lorewise, I would imagine he needs time to notify the other warbands, take stock of his numbers, and work a battle-plan.

4. Neither Vignar nor Brunwulf are Milk-Drinkers. I actually like them better than the men they replace.
Also, I don't think showing Ulfric the letter would stop the rebellion. It's too far gone - the Thalmor would still call for the Empire to fight him, the Empire would look weak if they let him off with a slap on the wrist, he might just think he can better fight the Thalmor now that he knows they're trying to use him, and his people might stop listening to him and fight on regardless if he tells them to stop.
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25-Oct-2017 03:31:19 - Last edited on 25-Oct-2017 03:31:59 by NotFishing

Azi Demonica

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Indeed, the politics in Skyrim are not easy, and the war just sucks, like most wars in real life. It seems that, as Dragonborn, it is your choice in what is good or bad and right or wrong. Thus, I just be the Dragonborn and do whatever I want! However, I think Skyrim would be way better if it was like Mount and Blade Warband: get a group of a hundred mercenaries and just capture a city for yourself!

Yes, Madanach is basically a folk hero, it seems, but he is also fair game, and just happened (or was unlucky enough) to have picked a fight with the wrong synapsid. It was fun to watch him get beat to death. There's just something funny, and, well, satisfying, watching a creature kicking human butt!


I think that, the point of Skyrim, isn't the war, but the Dragonborn. It kinda feels like the Dragonborn just happened to be in Skyrim, which just happened to have an almost pointless rebellion, to serve as filler for the storyline. I read that Skyrim had a great story and storytelling, but so far, I don't care about anything, but this may be due to me not playing through the entire game (so far, random adventuring is better than the storyline for me). When you play a game, and you don't mind killing people for the sake of killing that person, then, in my opinion, the game fails to convey humanism or morality. Too much grey zone makes me not care, hence following a reactionary style of gameplay.

And who the hell is Aeron Greyjon?



Annie,
We're talking about The Elder Scrolls IV: Skyrim, a game.

Ok, np, don't worry about Titano for now then. If you have nothing to do, you may need to seek out another RPing site.

25-Oct-2017 03:40:42 - Last edited on 25-Oct-2017 03:41:52 by Azi Demonica

Westenev

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1) Ignorance is not innocence. I consider likening it to shooting the hostage - once the puppet master realises he can no longer use puppets, he will stop sending them.

2) That's kind of the problem though - Stormcloaks just have to grin and bear it.

3) Well, if he does cause trouble, my character can always go back and kill him while he's at his strongest. The best way to root out an enemy is to make them think they have a chance, allow them to get bold... before dealing a crushing blow. Crushing him now won't impact on current operations.

4) Vignar is a dirty traitor, and I liken him to the Malfoys. He says he has his peoples best interests at heart... but, Balgruff made a good point. How many of his "friends" lay dead on the streets that night, just so he could have a shot at being Jarl? Hell, I was about to kill Ralof when he boasted about how many guards he had killed.

This was a complete contrast to my Imperial run. Fighting for Whiterun felt like a victory, while fighting for the stormcloaks felt like a tragedy. And I feel that's largely down to Vignar's douchbaggery.

Brunwulf is a decent bloke, but I feel Ulfric is the better man. He inherited a shambles, and is making the best of what he was given. As a player, I’m more interested to see where he would take Skyrim (and possibly the empire)

And, honestly, my character can 1v1 a Dragon in a melee. I think my character has earned the right to make demands of the Empire.
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25-Oct-2017 03:46:56 - Last edited on 25-Oct-2017 03:48:50 by Westenev

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