forums.rs

Forums

Story and Roleplay Chat Thread Thread is sticky

Quick find code: 49-50-864-65646316

of 3517
NotFishing

NotFishing

Posts: 16,946 Opal Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
D F Angel said :
See, this is why I value Inferi's opinion over NotFishing's. Good sense of moral fibre, that Harry Potter zombie.

Armadyl flew down, smashed Bandos's head in with his own mace after he was already dead, and then let out a victorious battlecry.

God of peace and justice? Pfft... and what is justice, exactly? Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

04-Jul-2016 20:51:47

D F Angel

D F Angel

Posts: 19,587 Opal Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
NotFishing said :
D F Angel said :
See, this is why I value Inferi's opinion over NotFishing's. Good sense of moral fibre, that Harry Potter zombie.

Armadyl flew down, smashed Bandos's head in with his own mace after he was already dead, and then let out a victorious battlecry.

God of peace and justice? Pfft... and what is justice, exactly?

I've not taken part in any of the World Events except the first, so whatever went on in Bird and the Beast is beyond my knowledge except the very basics.

As far as I'm aware, Armadyl's plan is for peaceful coexistence between gods and mortals. Which seems like the sort of compromise that would lead to the least deaths, which is why I support it. Hags be hagglin', gods be god damn crazy, it's all happening ogre at Into The Fire

04-Jul-2016 20:55:12

NotFishing

NotFishing

Posts: 16,946 Opal Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
D F Angel said :
NotFishing said :
D F Angel said :
See, this is why I value Inferi's opinion over NotFishing's. Good sense of moral fibre, that Harry Potter zombie.

Armadyl flew down, smashed Bandos's head in with his own mace after he was already dead, and then let out a victorious battlecry.

God of peace and justice? Pfft... and what is justice, exactly?

I've not taken part in any of the World Events except the first, so whatever went on in Bird and the Beast is beyond my knowledge except the very basics.

As far as I'm aware, Armadyl's plan is for peaceful coexistence between gods and mortals. Which seems like the sort of compromise that would lead to the least deaths, which is why I support it.

Zaros wants that too, only he wants to run things from the shadows and subtly guide them towards bettering themselves.

Armadyl's concepts of law, justice, and morality are far too idealistic.

He has also shown that he is not afraid to wage war to accomplish his goals, and war is inevitable because you can't become a major player without stepping on another god's toes. And there are some gods whose philosophies he cannot coexist with.

If you want a truly pacifist god who fully supported Guthix's hands off approach, go with Seren. Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

04-Jul-2016 21:02:12 - Last edited on 04-Jul-2016 21:04:52 by NotFishing

D F Angel

D F Angel

Posts: 19,587 Opal Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
NotFishing said :
Zaros wants that too, only he wants to run things from the shadows and subtly guide them towards bettering themselves.

Running things from the shadows means no accountability. It's "Zaros gets his way and no one alive is allowed to question that." And Zaros's definition of "bettering themselves" is also completely subjective. His Empire was rank with prejudice and corruption, I don't trust someone willing to turn a blind eye to these ills to determine the future of Gielinor.

NotFishing said :
Armadyl's concepts of law, justice, and morality are far too idealistic.

Not necessarily. He's shown common cause with Saradomin before, both Zaros and Seren have praised him and his world view, V also wanted an alliance of the gods. It's not far too idealistic to want to put an end to total war, surely? After all, that's what most entities strive for in the real world. It's only too idealistic whilst other godly monsters abuse their power or allow those under them to abuse their power.

NotFishing said :
He has also shown that he is not afraid to wage war to accomplish his goals, and war is inevitable because you can't become a major player without stepping on another god's toes. And there are some gods whose philosophies he cannot coexist with.

And? For the likes of Saradomin and Zamorak to win, the other gods must be exterminated. For Armadyl to win, there only needs to be diplomacy. He can coexist with a majority of the gods' ideologies, and those unwilling to enter the debate in a reasonable manner should be dealt with should they prove hostile.

NotFishing said :
If you want a truly pacifist god who fully supported Guthix's hands off approach, go with Seren.

I don't want a true pacifist, because a true pacifist cannot create peace, only avoid pre-existing violence. Hags be hagglin', gods be god damn crazy, it's all happening ogre at Into The Fire

04-Jul-2016 21:14:11

Inferi

Inferi

Posts: 35,939 Sapphire Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
NotFishing said :
Armadyl's concepts of law, justice, and morality are far too idealistic.

I fail to see what is wrong with this. Maybe you want to be all cynical and say that such things could never happen, but I would personally rather work towards something that may be unattainable but has the best possible outcome should it succeed.

NotFishing said :
He has also shown that he is not afraid to wage war to accomplish his goals, and war is inevitable because you can't become a major player without stepping on another god's toes. And there are some gods whose philosophies he cannot coexist with.

Isn't this the whole point of gods, though? They're supposed to personify different aspects of something, and although they may be human-like in the sense that they have a personality to go along with that, there is no way that there will ever be complete harmony between them because you cannot make an aspect of something agree with whatever directly contradicts it.

Unless every god opposing the ideals that the one you support has are exterminated, which typically never works because another rises from the ashes of the one that was destroyed, it will be impossible to have coexisting deities.

D F Angel said :
NotFishing said :
Zaros wants that too, only he wants to run things from the shadows and subtly guide them towards bettering themselves.

Running things from the shadows means no accountability. It's "Zaros gets his way and no one alive is allowed to question that." And Zaros's definition of "bettering themselves" is also completely subjective. His Empire was rank with prejudice and corruption, I don't trust someone willing to turn a blind eye to these ills to determine the future of Gielinor.

Also this. Done in by the dubious doings of destiny.

04-Jul-2016 21:14:47 - Last edited on 04-Jul-2016 21:15:52 by Inferi

NotFishing

NotFishing

Posts: 16,946 Opal Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
D F Angel said :
Running things from the shadows means no accountability. It's "Zaros gets his way and no one alive is allowed to question that." And Zaros's definition of "bettering themselves" is also completely subjective. His Empire was rank with prejudice and corruption, I don't trust someone willing to turn a blind eye to these ills to determine the future of Gielinor.

It also means that he isn't forcing his ideology down people's throats - he gives them a nudge in what he believes to be the right direction. And he isn't leading armies to wars which result in thousands of deaths.

Zaros's definition of bettering oneself: increasing your power but also knowing to wield that power, overcoming trauma/adversity and instead using that to forge yourself, not succumbing to certain vices like greed, hunger for power, etc, achieving balance within all life, and solving problems like disease and infertility.

As for his corrupt empire, the prejudice was more due to his followers, who he didn't exactly have a choice in selecting as they were the first species of sentient life he stumbled upon. And he wasn't turning a blind eye - he genuinely didn't know because he had distanced himself from the throne. The important thing is that he knew where he went wrong and when to stop, so he changed his approach.

Few of the other gods have demonstrated the capacity to change as he has.

You also need to remember... "More died in it's destruction than ever in it's creation."

(continued) Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

04-Jul-2016 21:43:54

NotFishing

NotFishing

Posts: 16,946 Opal Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
D F Angel said :
Not necessarily. He's shown common cause with Saradomin before, both Zaros and Seren have praised him and his world view, V also wanted an alliance of the gods. It's not far too idealistic to want to put an end to total war, surely? After all, that's what most entities strive for in the real world. It's only too idealistic whilst other godly monsters abuse their power or allow those under them to abuse their power.

Don't get me wrong, he is better than Saradomin or Zamorak. I just don't like how he intends to become judge, jury, and executioner. 'Justice' is subjective. He is no better than Saradomin, in that regard. He can coexist with Zaros and Seren, and I would support that, but Zaros needs to be at the top simply because he is wiser and more experienced.

What I really oppose in him, is his desire to be at the top and openly rule like the other gods. People will resist him, and that will lead to conflict, it is inevitable. Zaros can guide mortals without anyone needing to know he exists.

D F Angel said :
And? For the likes of Saradomin and Zamorak to win, the other gods must be exterminated. For Armadyl to win, there only needs to be diplomacy. He can coexist with a majority of the gods' ideologies, and those unwilling to enter the debate in a reasonable manner should be dealt with should they prove hostile.

According to the J-Mods, Saradomin would co-exist with any god who shares his beliefs and does not threaten his territory. And Zamorak would probably allow other gods to exist, what with the whole Hardcore Darwinism thing he has going on where people compete to outdo each other.

(continued) Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

04-Jul-2016 22:05:18

Quick find code: 49-50-864-65646316 Back to Top