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Yrolg

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Only in "Waking" and his Armies of Gielinor competition entry was the author able to redeem the time invested by the reader in this otherwise Diet Water-type thread. And yet, even in these, errors still abound. Only the length, plot, and, in the latter, divinely sanctioned usage of diversity in structure were the factors contributing to approval. And yet, even in these two (out of twenty) pieces, the reader is still left somewhat disheartened. The poetry is likewise afflicted, suffering from a myriad of maladies from inconsistent metre to atrocious allocation of syllabic emphasis. Stretched rhymes, inconsistent stanzas, and an obviously forced regimen all serve to only further discourage the reader from continuing.

I shall say, to any perusing reader, that he should read "In this instance, it occurred to me..." on page thirteen and nothing more. I say this not because this piece is a masterful example of the great talent housed within the thread but because it is a generally above-average example of what *could* be contained within this thread, provided the author re-evaluates the extant pieces.

Thus, I must conclude that the following disclaimer is necessary for all readers, lest they be likewise disappointed: READER BEWARE: the contingency of this thread's appreciation is matched in force by nothing. Logan Shafts, through masterful overmployment of otherwise acceptable tools, creates a meal of entirely empty calories. Like stale cheese, this thread offers all of the calories but none of the enjoyment.

31-Oct-2010 18:24:27 - Last edited on 31-Oct-2010 22:06:09 by Yrolg

Chuk

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Wow, I think that's as demeaning a review as I've ever seen you give, Yrolg, and that's saying quite a lot. Further, I see little evidence of how it could be of help to the author. If all you're going to do is rip holes in a piece, why bother taking so long? You don't even have to read the material to do that.

31-Oct-2010 21:26:54

Yrolg

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iChuck,

Hello. I've established a new reviewing style. I have implemented it tentatively and without plans yet of maintaining it perpetually. I will outline the changes thusly:

The old system:

1. Rubrics
2. Every error in the piece with analysis
3. Summary

The new system:

1. Rubrics
2. Analysis of rubrics with definition of room for improvement
3. An actual review
4. Seven days of constructive building with the author, one on one

I personally am more a fan of the second option not only because it is easier on me, but because it allows me to focus my acumen and abilities on helping the author on the areas that he or she chooses and not myself. I will admit, the majority of the first submission is more critical, but I see no problem with this. You will notice that I did not ever attack the author and that I only attacked the pieces in the areas that they are lacking.

I don't consider this style to be demeaning: I consider it to be more forthright. A review is defined as "a critical appraisal", and, thus, I am trying to implement more venues for criticality.

If you think that this wasn't constructive criticism, I am in no place to hold judgment against you. What I will say, however, is that I see multifarious means that it can help the author -- the analysis of the rubric outright says "focus on these areas" for improvement. The critical review is, in my opinion, the most efficient and effective way of detailing all of the errors for further discussion, and this goes without mentioning the entire week of one on one help that I will be providing him. All I can do is ask how you would suggest I improve the process?


As a general disclaimer, I have now edited minor portions of the review correcting amphibolous statements and removing unnecessary adjectives.

31-Oct-2010 21:57:28 - Last edited on 31-Oct-2010 22:08:54 by Yrolg

Logan Shafts
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Yrolg:

Thanks for the review. While I think your new method is lacking in that it didn't actually point out the errors with any reference with which I can find them in my stories, I believe it will be useful for me at least in that I can attempt to find them myself.

I do wonder, for starters, how you find my endings "cliché"? I've been told multiple times by readers that they are always surprised at the end of my stories. Is it the consistency of surprise which you find cliché, or were you honestly expecting each ending?


Also, as we both write in completely different manners, I am not at all surprised that you find my writing elementary. In fact, I expected as much.

I write for simple readers, and thus I strive not to fill my writing with words which your average person would have to Google to understand.

This may limit my writing in one form, but I believe it enables me to convey a point to a larger audience, and so I intend to stick with it - even at the cost of more advanced readers finding it simplistic.

I believe that the stark contrast between our writing styles has certainly affected your review – but I won’t say that’s a bad thing. There are certainly places where my wording is far too simple, and my plots lack in substance. I find that I struggle with a true ‘filling out’ of a story due to my preference for short stories, as it is hard to give any character or setting a deep personality or background in only 500-1000 words.

As for grammatical errors, I have combed my stories carefully to weed them out, but alas I find that no number of examinations will make them perfect. As such, I welcome your advice about semi-colons, commas, and periods. Beware that I have only a self-inflicted education of English, as I have never been schooled in anything by anyone but myself and my older brother.

I do intend to take Language arts in college though, and hopefully that will greatly improve my writing.

31-Oct-2010 23:36:12

Logan Shafts
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Is there any chance I could entice you to point out at least one example of the errors you found regarding periods, commas, and semi-colons so that I might examine my stories to find repeated errors of that type?

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The next thing I wanted to discuss with you was titles.

For instance, you say that "Synergy" is inappropriately titled. Could you perhaps explain why or suggest a better title?

Also, "Synergy" is only one story out of a series of stories with regards to the 'riddler fox' and his friend. The title would make far more sense if you had read the others, but I don't want to post them because they are years old and of exceedingly low quality, even by my standards.

Thanks,
-Logan

31-Oct-2010 23:37:05 - Last edited on 31-Oct-2010 23:44:31 by Logan Shafts

Yrolg

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"I do wonder, for starters, how you find my endings "cliché"? I've been told multiple times by readers that they are always surprised at the end of my stories. Is it the consistency of surprise which you find cliché, or were you honestly expecting each ending? "

This is something I thought my review was rather harsh about, because I found it very annoying. But it was also something I tried to make very clear: it was your own overmployment of the format that made them cliché. Each piece, in and of itself, was not necessarily cliché; only juxtaposition to the rest made it so. At least seven of your pieces ended with one or two sentences completely distorting the rest of the piece. It just got the the point where it was predictable, and I eventually started getting to the twist before you did.

There is more to a good plot than a twist: a lot of it is the struggle, the fight, and the resolution. This is something that a lot of your pieces either didn't have or just skipped over.

"My lifeless form was soon eaten by a cat. "
"Perhaps next time I would try woodcutting."
"“Well. Thanks, been working on that one for weeks, I never got it myself.” I said quickly, before scurrying away into some bushes hurriedly. "
"A small creature scuttled away into the comforting darkness of the nearby woods, barely in time to avoid hearing the terror-filled screams of the would-be thieves. "**
"A docile smile spread across the ladies lips, "Would you care for a sandwich?” she asked calmly. "
"She was my guitar. "
"I swung my tail about happily as I feasted."

These are just from the first two pages, and already you've got seven of the same story format. It just got repetitive and predictable.

31-Oct-2010 23:41:51 - Last edited on 31-Oct-2010 23:46:51 by Yrolg

Yrolg

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With regards to your elementary style, that's fine. As I said in my review, a person who is just finding the realm of literature -- say up 'til age fifteen -- would find your stories quite entertaining. I, however, was reading Poe at fifteen, and, thus, have slightly different expectations.

I would say, however, that it is possible to have a mature and in-depth story without complicated words. I wrote a story under the guise of the not-yet-popular Barrows Brothers and it employed at most two words a Freshman in High School wouldn't know, and one I simply used for a pun (borrow in the terms of guarding, protecting, etc.). Its plot, however, and its structure, furthermore, were diverse and interesting.

There is a difference between simplicity and elementarity; you blur that line in a few of your stories.

I understand now a lot more of your stories having read that you are self-taught in English. Whilst not an excuse it is an explanation. If I had to suggest one essay which would change your writing style for the better -- by everyone's perspective -- it would be one written back in the '50s entitled "The Elements of Style". It's not more than ten pages long and it's INCREDIBLY helpful with style. It details a lot of common grammar mistakes and helps to suggest ways for improving. It's easily locatable on Google.

There were two major punctuation errors I found: overuse/misuse of commas and lacking possessive apostrophes. Simply put, here are the basics:

Commas should be used only to separate items, be it clauses or articles of a list, from others. This is an unofficial but practical definition. You should only really use commas outside of lists when introducing an independent clause with a conjunction to an already complete thought; including parenthetical phrases outside of parenthesis; surrounding certain adverbs such as "however", "therefore", "indeed", "furthermore", etc. (though these words are not always surrounded by a comma); and in other special cas

31-Oct-2010 23:51:01 - Last edited on 01-Nov-2010 00:07:49 by Yrolg

Logan Shafts
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I had noticed that myself. In fact, I wrote 'waking' with the initial intention to sway from that structure, but I ended up carrying it on regardless.

"The Future" and "The Happiness Principle" were two more successful attempts, I believe.

I don't want to edit or delete the stories with this structure, because they still convey the point which I intended to - which is that sometimes things aren't as they initially seem. But perhaps it would help if I separated them by including stories of a different format?

Do you think that you would've found them less repetitive if there had been one or two stories between each which were of a different nature?

And by the way, Happy Halloween. ^^

31-Oct-2010 23:52:00

Yrolg

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Semicolons introduce complete clauses not separated from another complete clause by a conjunction; items in a list whose articles contain commas, like this one; and in other special cases.

Possessive apostrophes are used after EVERY word that shows possession except the pronouns (my, his, her, ours, its, etc.) Apostrophes are usually used only in this context. The only other acceptable use of an apostrophe is to indicate that a contraction is being employed.

Examples:

His dog was named Spot.
Spot's tail was wagging.
Its fur was shedding all over the place.
"He's shedding", said Spot's owner, Bob.

If you have any technical questions, I'm here to help until November 7th, so be sure to ask. :)

Citations:

"I would douse the sun with love if need be, and catch the rain in my branches."

The comma here is a secondary comma to a parenthetical phrase, in which case it is "indefensible" by The Element of Style's standards. To be correct, in the first case, it must be the following:


"I would douse the sun with love, if need be, and I would catch the rain in my branches.


Stylistically, I prefer the parenthetical thought at the end:

"I would douse the sun with love and catch the rain in my branches if need be.".

The following quote misuses a full stop as well as a semicolon: the full stop follows an incomplete thought, and the semicolon falls into the same trap. Semicolons should only be used to introduce a complete thought to a complete thought, in this application.

"Many meals passed. My meals, anyways; my dear friend rarely stopped to eat. "

01-Nov-2010 00:02:03 - Last edited on 01-Nov-2010 00:09:41 by Yrolg

Yrolg

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Synergy is the act of producing something worth more than the effort put into it. The story didn't have that sort of theme, so the title shouldn't reflect it. I would have preferred a more informative title such as "The Riddler Fox" or "An Answer Yet Hidden". "Synergy" is primarily not catchy and secondarily not relevant, in my opinion.


Something you'll notice about my omnibus is that a lot of the stories are the same. Most of them focus on some macabre or melancholy theme and don't end happily. What makes it less repetitive, however, is that I separate them. I used to have a twenty post short story between page one and page two of the short stories; pages two and three were separated by poetry. For the most part, people are stupid (myself included): all you need to do is give us a short intermission and we'll forget the format you gave us prior to it. This is why a lot of series begin with a recap of what happened "last time". This doesn't give you license to put infinite amounts of this format up there, but it does provide a little recess from the repetition.

Happy Hallowe'en indeed. Hopefully this help is more a treat than a trick. :)

01-Nov-2010 00:11:58 - Last edited on 01-Nov-2010 00:15:52 by Yrolg

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