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Serene End
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''“She wields both a silver shortsword and a steel longsword”
This is imbalanced; European knights and samurai sometimes fought with dagger and shortsword, one in each hand. I am curious as to how this chamber of poison is kept in the handle of the dagger. How on earth could she get a carbon atom triple-bonded into a nitrogen atom?''

You continuously reference as if I'm going by history. I certainly am not going by history. And you could think that the sword has a small chamber inside the blade, which is connected to the handle of the blade.

''Gallows can hold a two-handed sword with one hand, but this doesn’t mean he cannot use both hands anyways. Do you know how a sword is constructed?''

Gods are arrogant. They think they don't need two hands. And stop talking to me like I don't know anything. I may not know how ''realistic'' swordplay works, but dammit I think I know the basics of a blade.

Going on about you criticizing me about historical accuracy, which is wrong since this is about a fantasy game...

''Calvin has retractable blades in his gloves? How does that work? And how can he be a lazy assassin? So, a seven-year-old killing an adult to avenge his father’s murder?''

How do cat's claws retract? Probably very similar to that. Or perhaps a certain apply of pressure is required. Or maybe he needs to bend his fingers a certain way. People change? Heck, I used to be as stupid and useless as a brick wall. But with time, people change. You can go from being crazy and without order to someone completely opposite with enough time. Since you're going to point out realism, I'm point you to some. You hear of child soldiers? They're willing to kill at a very young age (albeit because they were force to but still.) So, I don't see how a seven-year-old can't kill an adult. Is it the fact that it's a child? Because anyone can do anything to anyone if he or she tries hard enough.
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14-Jun-2013 14:04:58 - Last edited on 14-Jun-2013 20:08:39 by Serene End

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''“They were both so evenly matched that deciding who would come out the winner would be completely impossible.”
Duels lasted usually no more than several seconds. If two perfect swordsmen fought, it is possible both would kill each other, but the duel would not last long at all.''

A duel? It's a full-on battle, not a duel. O_o And technically, they both did kill each other. One just managed to live slightly longer than the other.

''“The room was lit up in multiple colors, like a rainbow was casting it's life into the room.”
Very nice description, simple and effective.''

*takes compliment and runs with it*

''Raphael lives in a shack, despite owning silver jewelry and a gold-hilted sword, and even has status to be a king.''

Because he's human. In a city full and ruled by people who think you don't deserve anything, you think you're going to live in luxury? And again, if we're going by RuneScape laws, silver and gold are pretty down there compared to other materials.

''“To his left was just a small single sized bed with silk sheets neatly wrapped around it like a Christmas present.”
Another good, short, effective description. Silk was extremely expensive.''

*takes second compliment and runs with it* And yes, I'm aware. xD

''“Raphael's entire body was shaking like an earthquake.”
Yes, I can picture him sitting there, his entire body vibrating with such force. Every time your story focuses on Balor, everyone behaves, well, kinda cartoony''

I sense mockery. Is that meant as sarcasm? And now think of it this way, and surely the reason for this is going to be explain in the next chapter. In our world -- and I'll bind myself from going too far -- is that not how most people with religion treat their gods? Doing whatever they say, living however they say. The gods treat those of the royal family as if they were gods. That would go for your ''overthrow the guy'' comments as well. If you believed in a god, would you attempt to overthrow them?
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14-Jun-2013 14:18:34 - Last edited on 14-Jun-2013 20:07:48 by Serene End

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''“Raphael opened the door by twisting the golden doorknob, pulling the door open.”
I already know how a door is opened, you don’t need to insult your reader’s intelligence. :/''

That would be old me typing up a rather stupid sentence. xD I'm not attempting to mock if that's how it came off. I apologize. Allow me to fix it once I'm done here.

''“He felt the quick pounding that felt like a jackhammer.”
I feel that “jackhammer” is too anachronistic considering the context of the story. Not that it’s a bad thing, but it kinda feels out of place. ''

That's just how I write. Besides, if I said something like... ''it spun like a spinning wheel.'' Some people might not get that I'm actually referring to the device, not just some random wheel spinning. I think that with more modern things, people can visualize them better.

''“Much like the other man, the old man was wearing a black single cassock.”
Why so? Since the bios, cassock is the preferred dress of many men. I really wonder why you chose Christian clothing, worn by priests and cardinals especially, for the story. ''

Neo from the flippin' Matrix. That is all.

''You have a tendency to lengthen sentences with too much description that your reader can probably assume for oneself.''

And you're right. It's one of the many habits that I'm attempting to break. That, and the incorrect tendency to use 'it's' instead of 'its.'

''Silly, clichéd, cartoony, unrealistic and simply bland, it’s not something that can be taken seriously.''

No, sir, it's something you can't take seriously. As I've said previously, some people like it and some don't.

''Balor hires an assassin to kill Rahael, even though Balor can throw people fifty feet into the air with one hand.''

Maybe because some kings don't like to get their hands dirty. :/ Especially if they think that somebody isn't worth their time. So, if you want to kill someone, why do it yourself and waste your time when you can pay others to do it for you?
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14-Jun-2013 14:34:43 - Last edited on 14-Jun-2013 20:07:14 by Serene End

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''flies like a bullet into a window or something. A kick like that would rupture every organ in Raphael’s body, burst his appendix, shatter his pelvis and spinal cord, and probably kill him instantly, and Balor’s would break his leg.''

Yes, like a bullet. When a bullet is fired from a gat, does it not fly? So, I'm referring to that and not the sheer force of it. And him living through it will be explained.

''And I do apologize in advance for my diatribe, forgive me for that, but I feel it is necessary so that you’ll remember it.''

Oh, goodness. Now I feel like such a jerk. xD I do apologize myself if I sound like that to you as well. But I guess I live by sort of my own little quirk: I give what I get. And trust me, I'm fully aware of all of that. As I've said, I'm enjoying this. I really am. It's nice to see something you've made ripped apart. Because then, there's the joy and recreating it into something better. Only through destruction can you truly create something better. Anyway!

''it’s = it is
its = its''

Hey, look! I mention it and you then mention it!

''“and a sword hidden inside a leather sheath”
A sword cannot be hidden in a sheath, because everyone knows a sword is in a sheath in the first place. The hilt would be visible beyond the mouth of the sheath.''

Really? I wasn't aware. I'll keep that in mind.

''““Yeah,” he said. ''And how foolish of us to show you that.”
Elena quickly turned her head over to the boy. “Uriel, please show respect,* she impelled, turning her head back over to Raphael. “Forgive his disregard, he hasn't really had a good history with the Imperial Kingdom.””
I don’t see anything here that is disrespectful, let alone cause someone to become annoyed.''

Because Uriel distrusts people who were from the Imperial Kingdom. And since Raphael is from there, he thinks it to be foolish to show him that the resistance had gotten through into the capital. Because Raphael was a member of the Ruler's Counsel, and thus...
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14-Jun-2013 14:47:55 - Last edited on 14-Jun-2013 20:06:12 by Serene End

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Uriel believes that Raphael could perhaps tell the gods of this in exchange for something, like his place back in the ranks of the gods. Something like that.

''Malik reminds me of milk.''

Malik is an actual name, and an awesome one at that! :P But darn it! Now I want chocolate milk. D: CURSE YOUUUUUUU.

I'm just going to disregard your reference to history since well, I do know that. I'm pretty intrigued by Medieval history myself actually.

''“Her hands dangled loosely to her sides as she watched with interest.”
Generally, when he watch something with interest, we cross our arms, put a hand beneath the chin, or similar gestures.''

Generally, yes. But that doesn't mean all the time. I myself sometimes don't do that if I'm looking or listening to something interesting.

Skimming through your criticisms of the Malik and Raphael battle. I don't think I need to repeat myself. But I really dislike it when I'm told "oh, why didn't *insert this character* do this to *insert this character*" As childish as it is, it's one of my pet-peeves. Unless it's so unrealistic that I myself are like "wow, that's pretty bad." Like how it was in The World in Flames.

''“They slammed the door behind them as they ran for the hills.”
Lol, that made me laugh. ''

Is that... sarcasm? Or actuality? o_o Because if so, YESSSSSSSSSS.
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14-Jun-2013 15:01:14 - Last edited on 14-Jun-2013 20:05:42 by Serene End

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''I feel this needs a little rewording.
Ralph dies.
Well, shouldn’t Uriel use a little more magic?''

If you're referring to healing magic, he can't. If you're referring to actual magic, you're probably right.

''“Each of their limbs were chained in iron and their weapons sheathed in their cases.”
How about their weapons were taken away?''

Arrogance does that. You think you're so much better than someone that you could allow them to keep things that would aid them should something ensue.

''Elena finds a dead wizard. She is horrified at the sight of a dead body despite her traits''

Anybody -- no matter how calm or collected they are -- can be physically or emotionally fazed with enough warrant for it.

''The king, despite owning a kingdom, sends an assassin to kill people. Couldn’t the king just muster an entire army and mow down a village and its palace?''

Already explained. Because Balor believes his sister is within the resistance and so he spares them until he finds proof of her being there. Which we do find out that yes, she is. Now it'll be all-out war.

''Your characters very often widen their eyes whenever something happens.''

You see something shocking and/or you get injured, your eyes widened do they not?

''Strangely enough, prior to about page 21, the story was written mostly in present-tense, and then changes to past-tense.''

I had a bit of a style change then. :P It's my fault, because I realized that I preferred writing past-tense rather than present-tense. If that's a strange change or something I shouldn't do, please forgive me.

''“The knight's sword collided with Elena's blade, a power struggle was born.”
So they’re pressing their swords into one another? As mentioned before, this is absurd, something that only exists in ignorant movies and video games.''

Then I'm ignorant. No need to point it out.
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14-Jun-2013 15:14:29 - Last edited on 14-Jun-2013 20:05:05 by Serene End

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''“The king himself was at the front of the army of at least one-hundred.”
One hundred is not an army. ''

You can say that, sure. But I think 'army' has more than one meaning, no?

''-Balor laughs aloud, because Raphael’s sister tried to kill him.''

Woooooahhh! O_o If that's what you got, then I must've done something wrong! Raphael doesn't have a sister.

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Worry not, I intended to show more as the story progressed. As of right now, I would go back and redo several parts. But since the Forums are rather strict with character count, I feel that I might write more and go over the character count. So yeah!

''The three periods, “...”, is something I find annoying. It just means the author left something out.''

Would you prefer that I just say that they remained quiet or something of the nature? I think it just means that they mutter under the lips as though they can't find anything to say.

I choose to live in this supposedly ''recycled'' threshold because I choose to. If I think that there is more I could do with a story about rebellion then I'm going to do it. And after reading through it again, I personally felt TWiF wasn't exactly what I'd call a rebellion story since they lose focus of that a little after the story begins. Besides, I'm a bit of a nerd in regards to rebellions. xP I don't know why but I really like them. Perhaps the idea of the underdog topping the powerhouse, the classic David v.s Goliath story is something that really intrigues me.
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14-Jun-2013 15:27:35 - Last edited on 14-Jun-2013 20:04:09 by Serene End

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I don't have a problem with motivation any longer. That's all come and passed.

I know that my story (or rather stories) are incredibly unrealistic. I get that far, really I do. But my feeling and logic sort of fits with the video game series known as Assassin's Creed. In that game, people climb up large towers and buildings then plummet several hundred feet from atop these places and land safely into a box of hay. Any sane or reasonable person can clearly deduce that this is simply not possible. But it's fiction for a reason. And that's the fun in it.

Anyway, I do apologize if I may have come off as a bit of a jerk or something to that effect. I get a little mean when I'm under the gun. So, allow me to thank you for taking time out of your life to read through and giving me everything that you did. I truly appreciate it. Can't wait to hear what you have to say back to me!

EDIT: Governanti is not a reference to anything. :P It's just something I made up.


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14-Jun-2013 15:31:35 - Last edited on 14-Jun-2013 20:03:44 by Serene End

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Oh, and thanks for replying in full, I don’t get that very often. I’ll start my own reply to yours.


“If I hadn't explained clear enough, most of those fights for the gods aren't gods themselves.”
I understand this part, but, at least in my opinion, knights and assassins, regardless of being mortal, should still be what they should be.


I also repeat mistakes myself.


Elena, regardless of being godly, would have to rely on the quality of her bows and arrows, too, as well as take note of wind, elevation of ground, and if her arrows have spiralled fletchings or not. I suppose she would have a power to bypass all obstacles in some way.


“Erm.... o_o Medieval? Short capes and silly garments such as doublets . . . “
Yes, but my comparison was for today’s world. And the example of your characters is mostly for the late Middle Ages, into the Renaissance. Medieval is somewhat pre-gunpowder, well, it’s not, but the early Middle Ages is what comes to my mind too often, so next time I should refer to centuries rather than eras, so you were right to suggest correction in this case. Fashion of capes, especially for knights, arose during the fifteenth century, at the same time full plate armour was developed. Well, in this case, I think it’s odd that you exempt the realism aspects for armour and weapons (weaponry is mentioned later in your reply), but do keep it in mind for clothing. In terms of description, you do put more info about appearance than other things, but then again, taking the full scale of the story, the amount of it is indeed very little compared to the rest of the story.

“When did I say throughout the entirety of his bio that he's chivalrous? . . . ”
He is described as being chivalrous, but when I reread his bio, I quickly realised there is no description of him being chivalrous. It looks like I recalled the word in a previous bio and mistakenly put it for him, so I owe an apology for that incorrect statement.

14-Jun-2013 21:08:23 - Last edited on 14-Jun-2013 21:12:47 by Azigarath

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“You're referring to me talking down to you like you're stupid. . . .”
My comment about the length of the blade was just a comment, it was not intended to be part of the critique, but the second half of my sentence was foolishly made, I should not have had put that there. I sometimes comment about things when I feel like it, but this time it was silly. That time, I intended to suggest that blades could be that long.


“Yes, but sapphire is also a type of color. So, I'm describing it by the color, not the gem. That goes for emerald green as well.”
Oh, I did*’t know that. But still, it was used a bit too often.


“He wears a Lilac purple open frock coat is worn on top and it is very loose”
An “and” is missing before the “is”. The sentence reads a bit awkward, I felt it could be reworded to flow better. For example, I’d reword it into, “He wore a loose-fitting purple frock coat, worn over top.”


“You continuously reference as if I'm going by history.
Going on about you criticizing me about historical accuracy, which is wrong since this is about a fantasy game...”
(all other points of this subject as well)
Well, I have to criticize about something! Nonetheless, human beings, regardless if they live in fantasy or reality, would surely be aware of their physicality and biomechanics. If you have knights, they should act and fight like knights, because they come from historicity.


In this case, I have been in a few conversations in the SD about “reality vs fantasy”. I changed my mind and wanted to make exceptions to it, and even considered making my stories in the fashion of Japanese cartoons. But then I was informed that fantasy and realism could co-operate. I certainly understand the fantasy part, but it doesn’t hurt to be better at something.

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