Tycoon Level,
Hello. I believe on the first page I said that the best way to learn to write poetry is to learn to read it. Many people shy away from reading poetry because they cannot fully control the sometimes complex inflections and styles needed to appropriately voice the poem's purpose.
It seems to me that you are such a person: you shy from reading poetry out loud because you sometimes have trouble finding the appropriate voice to consistently air it in. I say this only because your meter right off the bat was inconsistent. As I said in the discourse above, poems with a strict meter (and, if it is a meter at all, it is strict) are simply majestic when executed properly. They are, however, easy to fail at. I think that you should try to work on the meter.
If you need help, I am here. As I said before, I have plenty of exercises which can help to cement your ability to construct and use a consistent meter.
In a poem such as that, the meter is quite easily the simplest thing to pick apart, and, so, I want to help to develop your base before delving into the specifics of that single poem. If I help you with your meter, you can use those skills for the rest of your life. If I help you with this poem, the best you can do is learn to write this exact poem again.
Stylistically, I think your biggest problem is that you're not used to word economy. You're trying to apply the basis of prose to the execution of poetry. You should, when focusing on this poem, strike out the unnecessary words. The power of poetry is in its conciseness: a single word, at times, can determine the entire success and impact of a poem. Having too many words detracts from the overall impression on the reader.
16-Mar-2010 21:15:14
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16-Mar-2010 21:17:34
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Yrolg
Thank you Yrolg.
As I said I am inexperience with poetry. So I decided to use this thread to better my skills.
"If you need help, I am here. As I said before, I have plenty of exercises which can help to cement your ability to construct and use a consistent meter."
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I would appreciate you telling me some of these exercises.
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And, I think, everyone is inexperienced with poetry. It's just a matter of being less inexperienced.
I'm glad you decided to try to get better, though. It's a great skill, even if you only ever use it to make more succinct prose.
16-Mar-2010 22:10:21
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16-Mar-2010 22:12:15
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Yrolg
Thank you, Yrolg, for the response. I completely agree with you- my favourite form of poetry is meter based on the same principles
I am sorry if I misunderstood your earlier post (you said you are not a huge fan of iambic pentameter not meter per se- Amo's hand gets slapped!).
I do agree with you about your comments above about reading your poem out loud if you wish it to flow- the cadence of the words is what attracts me to read poetry.
There is an argument that sometimes poetry loses something in rhyme (but that is not a view I hold).
Your thread has inspired me to flex my miniscule poetic muscles! (And they are miniscule!).
Turning to Tycoon Level's earlier post, very often a poem I write starts off in a very similar way. I then revise and re-draft the same many times until I am happy with the sound of the poetry.
Finally, your thread has inspired me to write a poem based on a simple meter based on Dawn advancing westward through Runescape- this was written quickly (and will need revision), and will be called the "Muse of Dawn"...
"As Dawn speeds through waking trees;
Night is lost in leafy seas.
Light awakes with warming ray;
Dark fatigues before the day.
She sprints through the ghostly town;
Glowing with her golden crown.
Bowing night retreats to sleep-
Refuge down in Barrows deep.
Vyrewatch’s veil blankets the sun,
As her work is then undone.
Spinning west through Haunted Wood,
Life is dimmed by Draaken’s blood."
Again I have written the same quickly (inspired by your thread)- this is a "work progress"... I do not like the use of the word "fatigues" in the first stanza- there are other words I could use perhaps "retreats" or "is dimmed by break of day"
Perhaps you could let me have your thoughts
Thank you so much (in advance)
EDIT: I didn't mention that the poem will advance west through all of Runescape (so still is a work in progress!)
16-Mar-2010 22:54:10
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16-Mar-2010 23:01:46
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Amoraten
I've always loved poetry, both it's deeper meaning and cadence of rythem when read. So I'll create some.
I sit here now a sadly mourning man
Where all may stare and call upon my skill
Pondering such meaningless thoughts, music
Flowing through vein and synapse equally
F.orgot what it means,
A.lways making progress
I.nsidiously crafted jeans
L.ay open on the path of egress
U.nwatched from light or dark
R.eady to end such madness
E.ach decision leaves a mark
Now I must be off, but my heads rests easily knowing this place is up and running.
Skirata, how refreshing (you didn't need to accentuate the meaning with capital letters- I understood the same. In my eyes poetry is simply expression and fun)
On a deleterious note it has hampered my writing skills- I ponder upon each word before I write a story... (Perhaps I am thinking too much about words!)
Amoraten,
As an author, I do the same thing. I don't consider it a problem, I simply take pride in the fact that I choose my words carefully.
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17-Mar-2010 01:36:12
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17-Mar-2010 01:36:25
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The Level
Tycoon Level
If you are thinking about poetry, simply think about the beat of the poem you are creating, for example...
"The wind of winter winds his horn"
It has a beat of eight syllables when you read it out aloud
And in very simple terms you describe the fact that "Winter" has arrived, and is rather gusty! And also that "you are winding Winter's horn!"
And yes, my short stories suffer as a result that I spend to much time thinking about words and my flow suffers as a result! (Perhaps I need your help in that respect!)
Well, unfortunately something came up. I was away and must leave soon. I hope you two don't mind, but most of my comments will be tomorrow.
As a tide-me-over, though, I want you to use Annabel Lee (on the first page). I want you to divide the first two stanzas into syllables: I want the emphasized syllables in capitals and the unemphasized syllables in lower case.
For example,
it was MAN y and MAN y a YEAR a GO.
What I need you to do then, is number each syllable. You should do this on paper, as it's easier.
If your capital letters don't match, you should fix it. Either you saying it wrong or you're writing it wrong (as some words can be either stress or not
).
I know this sounds basic, but it's something that's incredibly helpful. What would be amazing is if you could also do your poem like this. It should hopefully show you the inconsistency.
I'll try to help you use the information tomorrow.