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Big Daddy KJ

Big Daddy KJ

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Sounds pretty deseperate but here we go.
Because of this update I wasn't able to get firecape (system update when wave 63 was about to start) I was afraid to log out because I thought I would lose my progress because that was just the way it was back in the day (and I tried it later, went to wave 2 and logged out, logged back in outside cave). So I tried but there wasn't enough time. I got to the healers. I've done over 50 fire capes so I'm not realy bad at it.
I'm not asking for a refund, but is there ANY way to spawn me at wave 62 so I don't have to do this boring thing again? :/ ...?
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Hadlow Pro Scape it till you make it.

15-Mar-2013 11:50:07

Qeltar

Qeltar

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Thanks for the updates, they are appreciated.

From a practical standpoint, there is no point in running polls here for six days.
This isn't like an election where returns come in from areas with different political affiliations so the numbers swing around. I watched the numbers yesterday and they barely budged. The items that have passed 75% at this point will not drop below it, and the odds of the PK poll going above 75% are nearly zero.

As many people have pointed out, the PK worlds item *never should have been subject to a poll at all*. The addition of these worlds has no negative impact on anyone who doesn't want to use them. The votes against them are entirely selfish and spiteful, and I say this as someone who never PKs.

The end result, if you don't put those worlds in, is that hundreds, if not thousands of people, will leave the game. This makes things worse for everyone, whether or not they PK "F2P style".

15-Mar-2013 12:04:23

Paladine

Paladine

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> Mattych posted:

I just hope jagex is sensible with what content they put in, for example not putting things in the game which ruined it in the first place.

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It's up to the votes... that's why we are having polls! Only things with 75%+ YES will go through I think. So really it is up to the community.

15-Mar-2013 12:06:10

Qeltar

Qeltar

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One more thing...

Regarding: "We’re seeing a trend in discussions towards an abstain option adding unnecessary complication to the poll and we tend to agree. If you don’t feel strongly enough about an issue that is being voted on, we’d urge you to think about the wider community and what others might want, even if it doesn’t affect your day to day activities."

Abstentions are standard procedure in votes throughout the world, and they are handled in a standard way: the votes are ignored. You just look at the percentage of people who voted for or against.

If you don't want to do that, I strongly recommend changing the code for the polls to allow people to vote on some items but not others. Not having this means people who don't care about something are still forced to vote on it, and how is that good?

My guess is that if we had that ability this time around, the F2P PK vote would be over 75%.

15-Mar-2013 12:07:01 - Last edited on 15-Mar-2013 12:07:21 by Qeltar

Mod Ash

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From a practical standpoint, there is no point in running polls here for six days...

Abstentions are standard procedure in votes throughout the world, and they are handled in a standard way: the votes are ignored. You just look at the percentage of people who voted for or against.

1. For this first poll, which wasn't announced in advance, we preferred to err on the side of making it too long so that people would definitely notice we'd started doing polls. In future, I wouldn't mind them being shorter, although a few days here and there won't actually make much difference to the time when you get the updates.

2. I've got a meeting booked with the web systems guys who handle the poll module to see if they could do that. (There are a few userflow issues about the poll system that I'd like to see improved too.) Disappointingly, their initial response is that it'd be a substantial amount of work, and they're concerned that players might miss a question by mistake, then be unable to correct their answers.

I note that different players have said different things about how to handle abstentions (which, to me, is the same as letting someone skip a question). One guy, who said he'd prefer us not to change the game at all, felt that 50% of abstentions should be counted as Yes, and the other 50% as No. It's also been suggested that if an idea would be popular, anyone who abstains clearly won't mind if it turns up, so we should count them as Yes. While I'd personally divide abstentions in the way you describe (as I tried to say yesterday in the OP of the poll sticky) I'd then expect to be accused of wilfully misinterpreting the results to suit Jagex's mysterious agenda. A pure Yes/No vote isn't subject to reinterpretation.

Regarding the F2p worlds, I've seen various incorrect assumptions about what this feature would actually mean, so it might be worth re-asking the question in a future poll with a better description. It wouldn't necessarily get a different response, though, since some of the concerns are plausible.

15-Mar-2013 12:25:06

Qeltar

Qeltar

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Thanks for the detailed response, Ash, I appreciate it greatly!

I get you on the length issue. And obviously you guys can start work before the poll closes on items that obviously will pass.

I think the best approach is just to let people choose what they want to vote on. Note, though, that the effect of this is identical to putting in an "abstain" option and not counting those votes. :) If they can't let people not vote on individual questions, then I would just do that.

Alternately, Robert's Rules of Order do say that abstentions are counted as "yes": "While it is the duty of every member who has an opinion on the question to express it by his vote, yet he cannot be compelled to do so. He may prefer to abstain from voting, though he knows the effect is the same as if he voted on the prevailing side."

As long as you are clear about what abstaining means, either would be fine. The main point is to reduce the number of people who vote "no" on something they don't really care about.

I think a revote on the F2P worlds would be a great solution. I think if better worded, and with an absention option in place, it would pass. There really are no reasonable arguments I have seen against letting a group of players enjoy the game the way they want, when people can just choose not to use those worlds, and forcing thousands of people out of the game is just bad overall.

Thanks again!

15-Mar-2013 12:32:06 - Last edited on 15-Mar-2013 12:33:11 by Qeltar

Pies Friend

Pies Friend

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"Next week, Mod Pips will be giving you an update on some of the wider aspects of Old School RuneScape, including our plans for protecting game integrity and tackling bots. "

Most relevant part of this update. Good news to hear.

15-Mar-2013 13:07:41

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