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Davis126

Davis126

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I'd like to say as someone who has played the game since classic 2 of your nerfs really piss me off.

#1 Dinhs Bulwark

Do you seriously not grasp how overpowered the PVP weapons have become? Early RS2 the offensive weapons were a dragon longsword and a dds vs a magic short bow and now you have weapons from all 3 combat styles that can basically hit you for max health and not only is there no better defence you are actually nerfing dragonhide so you have even less defence.

Dinh's was a step in the right direction to balance that out and by nerfing it you might as well delete the item and give everyone who owns one the GE market value before you announced, be worth alch value after this.

#2 Toxic Blowpipe

Congratulations on making it impossible to boss without a billion GP item, the blowpipe was the bridge into bossing for those without wealth and now there is none. With this update you are basically forcing players to grind for more hours and quit or RWT, either way its a giant balls up.

27-Jan-2021 11:28:03 - Last edited on 27-Jan-2021 11:29:34 by Davis126

BlackTiger87

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Here at Jagex we believe that if it ain't broke...update/rebalance/rework/nerf/evolve.

Sorry for the rant but omg. You do realize that the reason we have OSRS is because of the PVP community. You take surveys for some things and not for others. Why participate?! You've taken OS and turned it into new school.

As a 1 def pure, I see that my only armour is getting screwed. You have already taken the maul and nerfed it monetarily technically. If u risk you get a 2-hit spec maul if you don't then just one. Meanwhile the DDS is cheaper,un-nerfed and a more viable means for pures now.

There is a reason I only have trained Combat skills and not much else. Because I do not want to put TIME into a game that eventually you are just going to F up. I have an almost maxed account in RS3 or w/e the hell you call it. AND I don't play it anymore. What you are doing is the definition of insanity.

Seriously, you have to include black dhide in this?! I can understrand Dinh's B & not much else. Enjoy! Peace and Love!

27-Jan-2021 11:28:14

UIM Gladius
Dec Member 2023

UIM Gladius

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My 50 cents on the blowpipe issue:

I disagree with the nerfs to the damage, pretty much outright, whilst agreeing that maybe the accuracy could take a hit so that its less effective against higher defence targets. It shouldnt be nerfed in old content that you enjoy bringing the item to as its going to be super jarring for players to roll up after the update and wonder why their preferred weapon has been reduced to steaming garbage lol.

I dont really understand why you havent cherry picked which content you dont want the blowpipe to excell at and make it so it, well doesnt? Rather than nerfing the weapon across the board which for most people will make them question if they want to run an item that expensive for that reward. Especially the majority of ironmen, i mean you've made the faceguard better than the serp, we're going to end up only going to zulrah for the magic fang until you replace it with the sanguinesi.

- If you are dead set on nerfing the blowpipe as shown in the proposal then can i say with the band aid ripped off can you just leave the blowpipe dead in the dirt rather than trying to ressurect it in the future by 'attaching some new thing with new resources' to make it function as it currently does. Ultimately i find that concept disingenuious and super pointless?

If you want an idea for a good ranged weapon similar to the blowpipe but in a different twist then have something like a repeater crossbow (take creative design from karils with some extra pizzaz) with the fast 4-tick speed, super high accuracy on high defence targets with low damage (armor piercing rounds rather than hi-damage rounds).

Also again, just gonna highlight my wish to see Torags & Karils buffed to being usable

27-Jan-2021 12:09:50

No Excuses
May Member 2019

No Excuses

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The most blatant problem here is a complete disregard for staying true to their roots on what made their game successful by ignoring the fact game changes are meant to be polled on and decided by the players. This was the business model. When a business model changes for the worse, the company declines. Good luck to the renegade jmods who were unbearable to even watch explain the logic behind the total obliteration of the blowpipe due to fallacies and unprofessional emotions displayed on the live stream. Rookies at best.

Also by following the logic of the blowpipe being a be all weapon, the whip is as well. Where is the whip nerf? A non-degradable, tier 70 weapon that requires but a measly slayer level of 80+boost. Meanwhile the bp requires: scales, ammunition, and is locked behind a PvM wall.


How about realizing as well that the blowpipe's versatility is tied in with defense lowering special attacks? Maybe tackle those instead? Seeing as PvM meta has completely changed due to the dragon warhammer and spec restore pools.

Finally, if the claim is to have a stop gap weapon between the blowpipe and tbow, then where is that weapon? Then again, this new weapon would not help with the problem you're apparently trying to curtail in the first place: power creep. So which is it that you're trying to resolve? A lack of foresight on the blowpipe's usefulness or an excuse for unimaginative weapon releases and balances?

All in all, this nerf is baffling to say the least both in its proposed changes and the way they will be implemented. If this is the future of the game we're to expect, there is little excitement about continuing to play.

27-Jan-2021 13:07:17 - Last edited on 27-Jan-2021 13:34:45 by No Excuses

Hoppy390

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Still don't agree with the planned "re-balancing" (trashing) of the blowpipe but you're heading in the right direction..

Why not leave it the way it is and just increase range lvl requirement to 80 - 85. Or if you must nerf it then go 50% between the new proposed rebalanced stats and the current stats and leave the darts alone.

Re-balance the salamander maybe adding salamander fire like dragonfire that can hit higher on occasional hits (like dragonstone (e) bolts) and a special attack that can hit multiple players/monsters like the dragon crossbow. I wub salamanders but no1 will ever use them mainly because of the lvl 70 magic, attack and range level requirements and the need to be in close quarters when using it

27-Jan-2021 13:21:47

Blattermans
Oct Member 2018

Blattermans

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Again, I am very sad that the new post says nothing about the tier upgrades of high-end weaponry. While being completely useless for main accounts (everyone normal player that can afford 150M+ items can have 80+ att), but it has a major effect on special account builds that cap 75 attack. Add an addition strength level requirement to high-tier weapons, if you really want more item tiers, but keep the attack level requirement as it has always been!

Without any poll, these special accounts (including myself) are disabled from using their items and contributing to certain game content. This "minor" change has a MAYOR effect on this community. I love this game, but for the first time since EOC I feel a motivation loss already when playing the game at this moment.

Jagex, you are making a mistake by forcing through updates that you feel "are necessary for the game health". Please learn from your mistakes in the past with RS2 and EOC. Enforcing un-voted changes to the game will massively damage the trust we have in Jagex and OSRS. I am afraid that after that it can only go downwards.


It starts with this "game integrity" update, but what will be the next un-voted change? The current change will destroy the 75 att community (zerks, pures, med lvls), what community will be affected next time?

Instead, focus on reworking and updating old content, like the Shades of Motton update from today (Great Job!). We don't need the game to be flooded with more and more raids and even more powerful items (wasn't power creep the issue in the first place?). And furthermore, focus on the real issues like real-world trading, bot abuse, duel arena gambling, account security, etc etc.

Please, think twice (or more) before pushing this update through. I, aswell as the entire player base, would really regret to see the game go down the same path as before...

27-Jan-2021 13:25:13 - Last edited on 27-Jan-2021 13:27:48 by Blattermans

Proly Tariat
Aug Member 2019

Proly Tariat

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After reading through most of the 10 pages of comments so far, I think many players have given the solution on a silver platter:

1. Poll it

2. ONLY nerf the darts, or require more scales/adjust drop rate so that it becomes more prohibitively expensive. I also liked an idea about adding an extra tier of darts (maybe high range req like 80-90) specifically for BP, which could potentially equal the dps of what dragon darts hit now.

3. Deal with the bots at zulrah who exasperate this problem Skiller, not a killer. #04veteran and #contentjunkie

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27-Jan-2021 13:35:20

IBonio
Aug Member 2019

IBonio

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i hope this is the right place to post my feed back on the beta test? i fully understand that you are trying to protect the life of the game but i am not sure this is the way to go. You are saying that you want to nerf the blowpipe because of power creep, but what you've done is given everyone the opportunity to use a twisted bow on the tournament worlds. If you are nerfing the blow pipe purely because it's powerful then surely that should also be included. i understand the price difference on the grand exchange is huge, but in your statement you said that you are doing this for powercreep not economy. Surely you either nerf all powerful weapons or non at all? As for when the new killing diaries are released, your are making it so only rich people will be able to do the top tier timed tasks surely?

As for the d'hide nerf, my only argument would be nostalgia, but can understand why you are nerfing it.

I have tried to use the crystal armour and bow as a replacement for bp and felt like it didnt match up so i'm not sure if that would be the same in every scenario.

Thank you

27-Jan-2021 13:44:20

geeeeeeza
Jan Member 2024

geeeeeeza

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why arent the items sorted? why is food dotted about randomly? it looks like a child has got involved and started dragging stuff willy nilly. why WOULDNT you put all the food together? and all the weapons? and all the armour? nope... SHUFFLE!

none of the items are sorted, you cant drag stuff on the crate screen. it resets when you log out. cant withdraw food/potions noted or anything.

settings are reset also. including chat, f keys and shift drop.

most stressful hour of runescape, of my life.

ALSO!! imagine doing all the zulrah for a blowpipe, then realising the weapon you used to get the blowpipe was better...... why not give it a higher drop rate?

or you could give it a requirement for loading in darts, like 90 for rune, 99 for dragon. and up the drop rate, and scale use


if your going to make it for noobs, surely noobs should be able to get it?????

and why no g maul, claws etc nurf?


EOC comes to mind..... what happened when you did that? oh yeah the game nearly folded....

raiper is nearly the same as a whip, yet its like 1000% the price?

27-Jan-2021 15:10:55 - Last edited on 27-Jan-2021 15:19:10 by geeeeeeza

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