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False Boon

False Boon

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I got 8 medium clue scrolls today. And all of them had steps with areas I haven't unlocked.
And let's be honest even if I did manage to complete a clue, the chances of getting what I need as a drop are already low as is.
The clues right now are -Be lucky to get a clue+ Be lucky to not get any clues outside your regions+ Be lucky enough to get what you need.
Way too much luck involved.
I support the change. I hate completing clue steps only to end up in a dead end.
10 years RuneScape veteran.

12-Nov-2020 16:23:47 - Last edited on 12-Nov-2020 17:18:13 by False Boon

Leagues BTW
Nov Member 2023

Leagues BTW

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Absolutely love playing trailblazer so far. I chose treasure seeker. Reading through comments I can see both sides, but I am entirely against the change.

Proposed compromise: at least remove all zeah steps (as was said weeks ago)

It was made very clear from the beginning that clue steps would be restricted by region and that would make them more difficult to complete compared to twisted league. This was probably taken into account when balancing the task points. Changing this would be a huge change that Jagex has said they would not do during the middle of a limited time competitive game mode.

People cite the number of clues received by treasure seeker vs. unnatural selection (U.S.) relics. The true benefits of treasure seeker come in 1) many clues, 2) stackable, 3) fewest possible steps. This makes it infinitely easier to save up and juggle clues to be able to complete them much more likely, depending on what regions you have. Even like 30% completion is fine when hundreds in the bank. As of posting this no one has completed a master. I guarantee you (without the proposed change) I will be able to complete multiple master clues by the end by saving up many and juggling. The treasure seeker relic allows things with clue scrolls which are not possible with U.S.: this is why I picked to have access to those tasks. It is fine because U.S. is very strong for slayer/bossing.

It is also worth note there is strategy in what regions people pick regarding clues (at least a little). For example, asgarnia is great for beginner/easy clues, kandarin is pretty essential, wilderness is great for hard+ clues, tiranwn has hardly any steps, etc. By making a change that limits to your regions you not only retroactively nerf relics, but also regions that people can't re-pick. You could also have abuse cases of people restricting regions to easily solve clues.

This change would improve QOL for everyone, but objectively nerf treasure seeker by making clues easier for everyone.

12-Nov-2020 16:30:34

GhostPengy
May Member 2023

GhostPengy

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Ok, sounds good, but can Clue Relic also get a buff of some sort, such as not needing items for item clues, or something along that. After the update clue relic will have the benefit of saving 1-2 steps per clue (does not matter if you can do all clues anyway), and the ability to stack clues. The drop rate is 1/20 vs 1/25 essentially since slayer superior creatures always drop clues. The benefits are much greater for Unnatural Selection, and a lot of people made the choice based on the initial state NOT what it is now. I personally would have taken Unnatural Selection if clues were 100% completable. You lose a lot of early game by choosing Treasure Seeker, with a promise to have a better later game, which it does not really offer anymore.

Without doing anything to clue relic, you will make those people disappointed, but I guess who cares about the majority. :D

12-Nov-2020 16:41:04

Spel Casta

Spel Casta

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The point of relics is to get an advantage, not turning virtually impossible tasks into occasionally possible tasks.

Last I checked, Treasure Seekers can still get assigned slayer tasks like Abyssal Demons and get superior monsters. Unnatural Selection owners just have an advantage of picking their own task.

However, without a change to clues, there's no chance anyone without Treasure Seeker will ever complete a Master, and take ages for even a Treasure Seeker to do so. Without certain region selections, both would even have trouble doing hards and elites. That's not an advantage, that's just compensation for a bad development choice.

If this goes through, Treasure Seekers will still have an advantage of stackable clues, many more clues, and shortest possible clues. US owners will still have to stop what they're doing to do clues after a superior or let future superior clues rot. That's the kind of advantage a relic should give, not what people currently perceive it as.

12-Nov-2020 16:51:58

Elonian
Aug Member 2023

Elonian

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I have unnatural selection but I'd like to see clues completable for all players, I'd also be completely fine if it was only for treasure seekers. I think it'd be the wisest choice if the relics were left untouched, unless severe bugs occur.

12-Nov-2020 18:40:57

julysfire

julysfire

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I'm sad to get clues right now. At 26k points, I still have done 20 clues (11 beginner, 4 easy, 5 medium). I have had tons of hards, none of them I'm able to complete. It is sad because I normally enjoy doing clues and getting the rewards but right now, it's just sad getting a clue drop because it is "How maybe steps will I get before I have to drop this one too?"

An update like this would be an all around improvement for everyone regardless of what relics were picked.

12-Nov-2020 20:25:40

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