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Coz y

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No no no no no no no no no no... This is not it Chief. This is a push toward what started happening to OLD SCHOOL RUNESCAPE previously in 2006-. Please revert these changes. This is not the way.

26-Jun-2020 05:50:32 - Last edited on 26-Jun-2020 05:52:12 by Coz y

Got yeeted

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I think updates like this are going to slowly kill the game's longevity. I'm a higher level account and I think that higher level players who have been playing the game longer are going to benefit from this update while low to mid level players are going to be adversely affected. I've been playing this game a while and learning new bosses can be hard. I think everyone knows that. I died like a million times learning how to kill Cerberus for example. And while a lot of older players have made millions of gp off the fact that death is not heavily penalized new players aren't going to have that same benefit and may be discouraged from playing or trying to grow their accounts. I understand that not having a penalty on death isn't ideal but we've already let thousands of players benefit off of that and this will only discourage new players from wanting to keep playing. Also I think this is going to discourage any player who has bad wifi from bossing which inhibits progress. I know that that is outside of jagex's control and is more the fault of the player but I think the games longevity and player base is more important to take into consideration than a death mechanic that wasn't meant to be part of the old school spirit. It's already been this way for a few years and is part of the game now.

26-Jun-2020 06:34:43

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2023

Septarius

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Whilst I have my strong personal views on politics that I am more than eager to share and argue for in personal life, I will leave any of such personal details out of this. This is based entirely on the overall health of the community.

Please don't bring racial politics and censorship into the game. In the modern, western world there is at the time no topic more divisive than racial politics. It's an open wound to the world right now, don't let it scar the community here as well. If you truly want a safe space and freedom from toxicity, don't spark the arguments, leave it neutral, and deal with the individual toxicity. A game/company should be apolitical.

Furthermore, hard censorship will only make it worse for those who keep the filter on by default. People will start editing their insults to go around the hard filter forcing everyone to see it. Besides, if someone has truly been wronged by horribly offensive language, the ignore and report buttons are right there. Don't muffle the world for those that can bear it with all of its ugliness. Ignoring and reporting was plenty good enough, and if you rather not see any of it, there's always the filter.

26-Jun-2020 11:17:20

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2024

Mjambo

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Death update:
I think paying to retrieve items from Deaths Coffer would be a relief if for some reason I was unable to retrieve them in time, however I'm surprised this is considered a gp sink as opposed to simply letting the items disappear. Won't this mean a sink for low value items used to pay Death but an increasing stockpile of valuable items that aren't disappearing?
It is making the game risk free which has been the continuing trend in OSRS, removing and decreasing risks to players, which I'm against. It makes the game easier and safer but ultimately less fun and exciting.

I'm against paying to retrieve items from the gravestone, I think that it should be free if you get there in time. The decrease of the timer to 15 mins from 1 hour is a very good thing in my opinion. There has to be some sense of challenge.

The one thing I most miss and strongly want to see is for other players to benefit from your death. Looting of graves was really a good part of the game, by letting either friends save your items for you or letting other people benefit from items that would otherwise be lost. Now that items are protected in Deaths coffer, that item sink is lost, and I miss the redistribution to other players through looting. Couldn't there be some form of benefit to other players? It added to the risk factor and was one of the more exciting aspects of the game for lucky players who found items on the ground. I remember in 2007 finding 100k on the ground from someone who died to a mugger and being ecstatic.
I would like to know why that looting system was removed.
It wouldn't have to be the old looting system if you have found strong reasons against it, but I think some form of benefit to other players when a player died was a super important part of oldschool. Please think about how this element could be restored.

26-Jun-2020 15:19:48

SlN3d

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Angel2D4 said :

Your mouth has "freedom of speech". Your fingertips, don't.

Freedom of speech can also be defined as freedom of expression. I do not understand why you should be banned of writing/typing of something but you can say whatever you want.
I also do not understand what it affects on your life if someone on the another side of the world says something and you get insulted, and you need to attack on that person because of his thoughts. After all, you do not know her/him, and still, you have a desire to decide what she/he can type or say.

This is the issue that worries me a lot these days.

I want OSRS being neutral towards all political movements and, like some smart people said before in this thread, OSRS has been a way also for me to escape from the real world issues with all this political oriented bullshit, just to clear up my thoughts and focus on something I have been hooked since 2003 (yes there were a couple of longer pauses inbetween but I am still here).Now when I start seeing the filter effects, every time it connects my frustration to BLM bullshit and it makes my gameplay less enjoyable, knowing that this company I have been loyal to for 17 years now, is politically supporting something that I oppose very strongly.

I fear this BLM support and RS3 imitation (=death change) just makes me leave from RS for the 3rd time. The 1st time was in 2004 when RS classic was taken out, came back in 2007 to give RS2 a chance, left RS2 when EOC came, got back in 2015 when OSRS became f2p and trained my main account to reasonable level in f2p before several memberships periods. Hopefully there will not be 3rd time to leave because now it is really close... SlN3d

26-Jun-2020 16:18:45 - Last edited on 26-Jun-2020 16:23:55 by SlN3d

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2024

Pidgeun

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So the death update - cool whatever.

But on the topic of the chat filter, that's silly. Censorship is never the answer. We also have plenty of options as-is, if a player feels attacked they're always able to turn public chat off and not view offensive content. We also have the ignore list, so if a player finds someone else is unbearably annoying, they can always just add them to ignore.

A more realistic solution would be to expand the ignore list to up to 1,000 names. This way players who encounter toxic players can just add them to ignore as any sensible person would. Additionally, if more action was taken against spammers/advertisers, that would also free up ignore list space.

Removing the hard-filter was certainly a step in the right direction towards a free and open community. It's unfortunate, but yes, free and open communities are composed of all peoples, of all colors, of all creeds. That includes some people who lack tact and are uncouth. To mature adults, these uncouth people are funny as hell to watch them scream and flail with their language in a pathetic attempt to show superiority on the internet where everyone is nobody. I understand to children these uncouth people might offend them, that's fine, children shouldn't be on the internet and as I recall RuneScape was 13+ in the old days. Perhaps enforcing the old age policy would be worth looking into to prevent undue abuse being hurled at people who can't handle it and shouldn't be exposed to it at all.

That's my two-cents. The internet's a wild place, and chat policing won't change it. "I became insane, with long intervals of horrible sanity." --Edgar Allan Poe

26-Jun-2020 16:20:11

Angel2D4

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SlN3d said :
Angel2D4 said :

Your mouth has "freedom of speech". Your fingertips, don't.

Freedom of speech can also be defined as freedom of expression. I do not understand why you should be banned of writing/typing of something but you can say whatever you want.
I also do not understand what it affects on your life if someone on the another side of the world says something and you get insulted, and you need to attack on that person because of his thoughts. After all, you do not know her/him, and still, you have a desire to decide what she/he can type or say.
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"freedom of expression"?

Step out into the real world and hurl your racial slurs at someone... you are, considering where you might live, free to do that. Right? You can step out your front door and yell any and all profanities and racial slurs and insults as loud as you want to. Right?

And when you're done ranting and go inside and sleep for the night.. sleep great cause you got to shout all that shit and ya feel better now. Right?

And you wake up in the morning and get ready to go to work.. head out to the truck and what is the first thing you see?

Busted windshield. 4 flat tires..

Do you get where I'm goin' with this?

You are free to do anything you want to IRL. However, stupidity comes with consequences. And if you end up with consequences irl, why would you expect there'd be no consequences in the game.

Some words and phrases have NO NEED to EVER be said.. spoken.. typed.. or even thought (though your thoughts are between you and your maker).

You don't NEED to hurl racial slurs at others.

You don't need to tear somebody else down in order to build yourself up.

It's interesting how some are so opposed to being stopped from hurling insults and hurting other human beings. Why do you suppose that is?

Toxic people should be booted from the game, IMO. "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

26-Jun-2020 17:58:05

Lucy HFilia

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Death mechanics:
I know there is a need to create a gold sink in the game, however, I think it’s weird that current gravestones are literally charging per item to get your stuff back. Considering places like Vorkath, Theatre of Blood, etc., basically have a charge cap of 100k, why is it that when we die outside of these special (but HIGHLY profitable) areas we are hit the hardest? When the items go to death, sure, let it be as expensive as it can be to get our stuff back, but otherwise it’s so weird to say highly profitable areas have less risk than me running around doing a clue and accidentally getting killed.

I think the gravestones should either be free to retrieve items or should also have a cap. As more incentive of a money sink, we can pay to upgrade our gravestones to either make them have a smaller retrieval cap or no retrieval cap. 15 minutes should be plenty of time to reach the gravestone, so I think that amount of time is fine, without upgrades, but maybe we can again pay to upgrade the gravestone so we can get more time to arrive there and get our stuff.

I also agree with other comments about how finding items on the ground from dead players was exciting, however, considering old school still occasionally has connection issues and the original incentive to change death mechanics is people were getting DDOSed left and right, unless old school can ensure these types of abuses won’t happen I’m not comfortable allowing my items to drop to someone else.

26-Jun-2020 18:47:24

SlN3d

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Angel2D4 said :

Some words and phrases have NO NEED to EVER be said.. spoken.. typed.. or even thought (though your thoughts are between you and your maker).

You don't NEED to hurl racial slurs at others.
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I understand your point. Certain words are something that should not be used. However, censorship will just only cause creating detours to pass around the censorship, this was seen in the last decade on RS2... Banning something is just making it "prohibited fruit" - what is banned is just absorbing more interest on it.

What makes the issue most frustrating, is how everything is getting so serious nowadays and people get offended even because of somebody telling jokes, or using strong metaphors, or wearing some Indian feather hat (sorry I do not know what they are called officially in English).

Are you even able to see what I am meaning? I totally understand everything you are telling.

The people who are seeing themselves as better people and more intelligent people than "those uneducated hillbillies" (where I also include myself, even I am highly educated, but I just love life being not-so-serious time to time), are defining what "those hillbillies" can say or what they can do - restricting the opposing side opinions. "The tolerant" are just dividing people into two groups now; either you are tolerant or you are intolerant, no matter how you try to explain your own view on them.

Have you seen any good comedy anymore these days? I haven't and the reason is that less comedians have guts to make jokes close to the borders of good and bad taste. This is the direction we are now going in western societies, not just in comedy but especially in freedom of expression as in general. SlN3d

26-Jun-2020 19:02:43

Angel2D4

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SlN3d said :
Angel2D4 said :

Some words and phrases have NO NEED to EVER be said.. spoken.. typed.. or even thought (though your thoughts are between you and your maker).

You don't NEED to hurl racial slurs at others.
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What makes the issue most frustrating, is how everything is getting so serious nowadays and people get offended even because of somebody telling jokes, or using strong metaphors, or wearing some Indian feather hat (sorry I do not know what they are called officially in English).

Are you even able to see what I am meaning? I totally understand everything you are telling.

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I do understand what you are saying.. and I agree with you... to some extent.

It is sad how there are those who claim to be "offended" are sometimes simply seeking attention.

However, "jokes" or "metaphors" at the expense of someone else (be that a group of people, or an individual) aren't 'funny' or 'laughable'.

I'm a hard one to impress with comedians. I find that most of them are not funny, or even remotely entertaining.

I'm the type of person that believes you shouldn't get 'pleasure' from someone else's pain. There's nothing 'enjoyable' about seeing others hurting... and if a hard filter will prevent even one person from the pain, then it's a fair trade off. People can save their "jokes" and "metaphors" for the real world.. their friends and family.. where they aren't as likely to hurt some innocent person simply trying to play a game.

Certainly there will be those that work hard to bypass that filter.. and I hope that jagex comes down heavy and hard on them.

I see this filter as something that will help the community as a whole.. by limiting the hurtful things that a few want to say. That's a plus in my book. It's rare that jagex earns praise from me, but this time, with this, they certainly do.

That "hat" is called a headdress.. and it has history. "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

26-Jun-2020 19:52:26

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