RuneScape Forum Archive | Death Changes

Mar

2012

Shojo Dagger

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I'm having to split my thoughts over multiple posts, because of the character limit.

Death update:
It seems mostly okay. You seem to be trying to make it after the RS3 death system, which is not necessarily a bad thing. My only criticism is the gp charge at the gravestone.
Don't do that please.

In RS3, we pay if we reclaim items through Death's office, but if we reclaim through our gravestone there are no fees. This is how it should be in OSRS also.

Experiencing repeated deaths, especially against quest bosses, is discouraging enough already, do we need to be screwed over financially as well? Why bother running to my gravestone at all? If I'm going to be drained of all my amazing 400k gp stack by death fees, why should I participate in pvm & quests where I might get killed? And if I can't kill monsters & do quests, why even play at all?

Death holding our items hostage for ransom is one thing, reclaiming them there is a convenience & convenience costs gp, I get that & it's fair.

But our gravestones holding our items hostage, too? No way is that even remotely fair, get rid of the gravestone fee, asap. What we obtain too easily, we esteem too lightly, it's dearness only that gives everything it's value.

25-Jun-2020 18:11:50

SlN3d

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What is toxic these days, is the BLM movement itself. This movement is purely political and I cannot understand why JaGeX is supporting some marxist movement that is aiming to get a totalitarianism as main stream - all the people whose opinion differs from own, shall be silenced. This is far from free-speach.
Yes, you have a right to get offended, but you have not rights to decide what the other person has to say. Unfortunately this sentence is put at risk nowadays because now minority wants to decide who can say and what.

About the chat filter in-game:
As a Finnish, it is a real struggle to discuss with another Finnish player due to reason the filter is a pain in the a** even discussing normally. I remember those days from like 13-14 years in the past and it was not fun.
After all, JaGeX is already having tools against offensive language - there is a) reporting system and b) player ignore system. Do not make the censorship happen again!

The Internet was a nice place in the 2000's before social media because not all the sensitive ones had found it...

About the death update:
There are already a lot of glitches found to abuse the system because of this death update. Please re-consider the death update again; either put it back as it was, or in my opinion, you can bring the RS Classic-type death mechanisms to OSRS which means: if you die, you have 1 minute to make it back to pick up your stuff or otherwise your loot becomes visible to all players.

I am not happy how you are trying to make OLD SCHOOL Runescape into RS3 all the time. Could you please even reduce the amount of new updates to this game as it does not feel very old school soon. Losing this feeling makes your old, loyal subsribers to disappear, as happened in 2012 when RS3 became to replace RS2 (your most profitable game version). SlN3d

25-Jun-2020 18:32:31 - Last edited on 25-Jun-2020 18:48:36 by SlN3d

Mar

2012

Shojo Dagger

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part 2

Chat filter:
I don't usually curse in chat, maybe the worst thing from me is an occasional F bomb, in an objective usage (i.e."that's so fked up" ), but not as a personal insult against another player (i.e."fk you, motherfker" ).
But I do want to know, what is the criteria for these hard filters?
Some words I would agree with banning, "n*gger" & "c*nt" for example. There is no call to use them at all & most who do use them don't even understand what they mean & just spam them to be trolls/griefers.
The problem is that almost every word in the language is abused & misinterpreted by the "perpetually offended". No matter what is said, the "perpetually offended" twist it around & claim it is an insult/slur, even if it isn't, & since they're outraged by it's usage they're "righteous victims", even if they aren't really victims of anything. It's an ego thing for them, I think, their way of feeling superior.

So I agree with returning hard filters for some words, but I'm concerned it will descend into stupidity without a clear explanation on what your criteria is for whether a word is banned or not. Especially since many of your players are in the US and, as Oscar Wilde pointed out, "separated by a common language" from the UK.

I once commented how the imps go "poof" & tele away when attacked. "Poof" came out as "****". To me "poof" was just an onomatopoeia, a sound effect, describing the puff of smoke when the imps tele. Apparently in the UK, "poof" it is a slur, & the counterpart US slur, "fag", simply means a cigarette in the UK, so go figure.

You should explain your parameters for word bans & use rational objective criteria to decide if a word gets banned, not just "someone said they feel like it's offensive". What we obtain too easily, we esteem too lightly, it's dearness only that gives everything it's value.

25-Jun-2020 18:49:10

BossMan Bo

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Terrible update.. if its not broke.... dont fix it. The death mechanics were fine the way it was. So disappointed right now as someone trying to learn PVM.

25-Jun-2020 19:04:21 - Last edited on 25-Jun-2020 19:06:19 by BossMan Bo

Feb

2024

Ripie

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A very large portion of the game is against this update.

I started playing this game in the early 2000’s and I played sporadically for years up until the release of EOC. That day, I dropped my items, my gold, and cancelled my membership.
I missed it at first, but eventually I moved on and found new hobbies.

I came back to the game the day Oldschool launched. I was so excited. I played for days on end. I levelled up, started a clan, started a second account and I have paid for membership for years on multiple accounts. I just found myself with less time to play and now I’m finding that you are giving me reasons not to.

I can speak very confidently for most of the game when we ask you, beg and plead for you to reconsider the update. Find your gold sink elsewhere. Increase the Duel Arena tax. Lower the amount of skilling resources from bosses.

As I have finally reached endgame content on this account, you have made it not worth learning the new bosses and embracing the new content.

I have decided that the Ironman account I have been paying for for a couple months and not playing on is no longer worth keeping as a member. I know that these changes are in your eyes to improve the game, but for players like myself who have been around a long time; we are seeing that you are going back to the way you once were.

When you released Oldschool you made promises that you would always poll new content and improvements. I am finding that you are no longer keeping with your ideals.

I hope that you can listen to the many comments on here already and those that are coming to rethink this update.

Find your goldsink somewhere else.

Please don’t push your community aside.

25-Jun-2020 19:13:15

Mar

2012

Shojo Dagger

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part 3: the "sensitive subject"

"BLM support":
I dislike your mention of blind "support" of the BLM organization.

1: BLM is a US political group. It is not any foreign companies' business to "support" or "not support" it. Your employees may certainly have personal opinions about it, but as a UK company it is none of your concern. The US ceased being part of the UK in 1776.

2: I don't think your "support" of BLM is based on actual knowledge/experience of what this group is really about, but on seeing it as a "me too/popularity" move, or at least on a misunderstanding of the group, based solely on their name & ignorant of their actions.

3: As someone else stated, I play RuneScape as an escapist activity, a way to get away from real world tension for a while. I don't like that real world tension tainting my game now, too.

4: I don't personally support the BLM organization because, whatever its founders' intent may have been, it has now become a violent hate/racial supremacy group, & I am against all racist supremacy hate groups, no matter which race they claim is supreme or which race they hate. I'm against racism in all it's forms.

I support racial equality, but I do mean actual equality, not the "preferential treatment & legal impunity based on race" that some people want to call "equality". If a white man & black man commit the same crime, they should receive the same sentence, neither should receive better or worse treatment over the other. If a person dies senselessly because of a police officer's inappropriate use of force, that's shameful & the officer should be legally accountable, no matter what the race of the person or the officer.

5: I checked out the website of the UK charity you donated to, & they seem like a nice organization dedicated to peaceful, positive community building, not hateful, racist destruction. So unless they're secretly holding violent riots, I am ok with your donation to them. What we obtain too easily, we esteem too lightly, it's dearness only that gives everything it's value.

25-Jun-2020 19:45:56

Mar

2012

Shojo Dagger

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SlN3d said :

The Internet was a nice place in the 2000's before social media because not all the sensitive ones had found it...

Agreed, & along with the sensitive ones that came with social media, were the total assholes that found it too.

There used to be such a thing as "netiquette" that was practiced, which was basic politeness & respect. Occasionally someone was rude or a troll, but most people practiced politeness & knew that the cure for trolls was simply to ignore/block them, & not feed them.

Then social media came along & the hate-war between assholes & over-sensitives consumed the internet. What we obtain too easily, we esteem too lightly, it's dearness only that gives everything it's value.

25-Jun-2020 20:00:43

Angel2D4

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Kudos to you jagex.. for your efforts.

But know.. it's not a 'race' issue, here in this game. It's a toxicity issue.

It always was.

I am in awe that you'll finally filter out at least some of the garbage that has no place even being thought, let alone typed out in an online game or its' forums.

However, filtering out the hate speech (typed) isn't enough and won't solve any of the toxicity issues in the community. The haters will simply find other ways to hate. They did.. as far back as 2007.

I'd rather see you come down with a heavy hand and issue perma-mutes on any and all hate speech ever reported. YOU decide what's hate speech, and ensure a ZERO tolerance policy is strictly upheld.

'Put your money where your mouth is', so to speak.

All the filters in the world won't aide in the removal of the toxicity. It's rampant here in forums and has been for years and worse yet is that it's not only allowed.. condoned.. it's encouraged.. by your own!

'Put your own house in order' before you try housekeeping in somebody else's. "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

25-Jun-2020 20:02:05